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Post by SA Hunter on Sept 23, 2018 20:34:16 GMT 10
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Post by Peter on Sept 23, 2018 22:12:29 GMT 10
"Contrary to the gun-toting swamp people we’re used to seeing on shows like Doomsday Preppers, Dr Henry says Aussie survivalists are normal people with an interest in preparedness."
Then they post those photos...
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Post by SA Hunter on Sept 23, 2018 22:52:10 GMT 10
"Contrary to the gun-toting swamp people we’re used to seeing on shows like Doomsday Preppers, Dr Henry says Aussie survivalists are normal people with an interest in preparedness." Then they post those photos... That was my first thought too - yes people, look for me, I have food!!! frostbite, these people make me feel secure in the fact that I will have a MUCH better chance than they will!!!!! |
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Post by norseman on Sept 24, 2018 14:55:42 GMT 10
Dr Simon Henry has a deep, albeit repressed desire to become an Uber Prepper Groupie or ultimately (God forbid) an associate member of an elite Australian cohort he identifies as "Militant Survivalists"
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Post by bce1 on Sept 24, 2018 19:29:51 GMT 10
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Post by bce1 on Sept 24, 2018 19:40:09 GMT 10
I had never seen his thesis before Frostbite - although I don’t have such a prominent place as you!!
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Post by Jackosaur on Sept 24, 2018 20:02:50 GMT 10
Is he cosplaying as a raider from Fallout 4?
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Post by bce1 on Sept 24, 2018 20:05:15 GMT 10
just a good reminder nothing is private or ever goes away on the internet!!! I’ve never said anything I don’t stand by, but having a third party analysing you for a PhD f#4ks me off.
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Post by Joey on Sept 24, 2018 21:14:47 GMT 10
Is he cosplaying as a raider from Fallout 4? 
Does this article bring back memories of this particular interview...
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Post by Jackosaur on Sept 25, 2018 11:42:44 GMT 10
This must be what they mean when they talk about weaponised autism  |
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Post by remnantprep on Sept 25, 2018 15:07:37 GMT 10
From page 232 (I have only read the conclusion)
Beyond academic interest, this thesis has practical implications for law enforcement agencies. A significant concern for law enforcement personnel, when considering domestic extremist entities,
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is distinguishing between those individuals and groups who represent a legitimate threat and those who are not willing or likely to break the law and commit to acts of violence.578 This thesis identifies that there are different categories of Australian survivalists, with the great majority of members far removed from possessing the anti-government and / or anti-society intent typical of those who are likely to perpetrate violent acts. Understanding the behavioural and ideological distinctions between the Australian survivalist member categories may afford law enforcement agency commanders a greater appreciation of the diverse operating procedures and resources required for their police units to successfully and safely engage with different survivalist personalities. For first responder police, those most likely to initially confront a violent extremist, being able to distinguish between the various member classes of the Australian survivalist sub- culture may result in a more appropriate tactical options response to survivalists who are not likely to present a threat to officer safety.
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Post by Joey on Sept 25, 2018 15:59:02 GMT 10
Soooo As most of us suspect they monitor all the prepper pages and keep tabs on what's been said by whom to put them on a watchlist?
(Please Mr or Mrs special agent of some hyphenated policing department, can you throw a few work contracts my way for my business, theseprepper types are absolute tight ar$e$ with buying my gear lol and I could use a few small government contracts to keep the bills paid...)
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Post by Peter on Sept 25, 2018 21:53:20 GMT 10
I can vouch for the quality of Joey's work. It's top shelf. Damn straight it is. |
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Post by Joey on Sept 25, 2018 23:31:24 GMT 10
Aww gee, thanks guys
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Post by norseman on Sept 26, 2018 7:02:48 GMT 10
Soooo As most of us suspect they monitor all the prepper pages and keep tabs on what's been said by whom to put them on a watchlist? (Please Mr or Mrs special agent of some hyphenated policing department, can you throw a few work contracts my way for my business, theseprepper types are absolute tight ar$e$ with buying my gear lol and I could use a few small government contracts to keep the bills paid...) There are so many State and Federally employed or should I say under-employed spooks out there and not enough real work to go around they rake in groups and individuals such as those appearing here in an attempt to justify their ridiculously inflated, tax payer provided pay cheques. The feds in short are literally trolling for business anywhere they can get it because there is not enough of the real stuff available to them. This forum and the individuals participating are all on a "watchlist" of one format or another. If you post on here you are on a "watchlist" so be proud and stand tall as it means you are doing something good for your family, other citizens you care about and this land you call home! If you are not on a State or Federal Agency "watchlist" you oughta be embarrassed to be calling yourself a prepper! |
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Post by SA Hunter on Sept 26, 2018 11:28:18 GMT 10
Good to see you here more often Norseman. No self respecting serious prepper would engage with the media, so that leaves only the pretenders and the whackjobs as a source of material for the media. I guess we,as a community, are partly responsable for that. And, with the above comments, this is why we have very strict rules on what can and cannot be spoken about. We pride ourselves on being a source of information, not a podium for anti this, anti that, hate this, hate them, overthrow this, overthrow that etc etc. This is why we have a ban button, and why it doesn't gather too much dust! We're just plain ol' boring, down to earth people who can see further into the future than just today! |
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Post by spinifex on Sept 26, 2018 16:17:35 GMT 10
Dear Security Agency Analysts / PhD psych researchers:
I do not identify as a 'Prepper' although I probably fit your definition of one. I'm just a prudent individual living a relatively self sufficient lifestyle as would most rural folks had to pre-1970's.
I don't own a huge stockpile of canned food and/or Semi auto weapons. I grow stuff, preserve stuff, hunt stuff, raise animals, build stuff from scrap and repair stuff whenever possible. I believe in community, even the smartphone addicted Gogglebox viewers who remind me of my own livestock. A lot of them do really useful things.
I believe in an austere future that will have more in common with the 1920's than the 2000's. Knowing how to look after oneself in absence of grid power and abundant supplies of perishable goods trucked 1000's of kilometres seems like a sensible idea and here is a place folks can exchange ideas to achieve that and have discussions that are too challenging for the smart phone addicted watchers of Gogglebox or the 83 different cooking shows telecast each week.
Your time would be more productively spent taking a colonoscopy.
Although ... that is technically a form of prepping. As is having any kind of insurance. Or having a spare pair of reading glasses in your car.
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Post by norseman on Sept 27, 2018 6:42:54 GMT 10
Dear Security Agency Analysts / PhD psych researchers: I do not identify as a 'Prepper' although I probably fit your definition of one. I'm just a prudent individual living a relatively self sufficient lifestyle as would most rural folks had to pre-1970's. I don't own a huge stockpile of canned food and/or Semi auto weapons. I grow stuff, preserve stuff, hunt stuff, raise animals, build stuff from scrap and repair stuff whenever possible. I believe in community, even the smartphone addicted Gogglebox viewers who remind me of my own livestock. A lot of them do really useful things. I believe in an austere future that will have more in common with the 1920's than the 2000's. Knowing how to look after oneself in absence of grid power and abundant supplies of perishable goods trucked 1000's of kilometres seems like a sensible idea and here is a place folks can exchange ideas to achieve that and have discussions that are too challenging for the smart phone addicted watchers of Gogglebox or the 83 different cooking shows telecast each week. Your time would be more productively spent taking a colonoscopy. Although ... that is technically a form of prepping. As is having any kind of insurance. Or having a spare pair of reading glasses in your car. What that bloke just said!! |
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Post by heisenberg on Sept 28, 2018 18:03:40 GMT 10
Definition: The Hawthorne Effect.
The Hawthorne Effect (also referred to as the Observer Effect) is the alteration of behaviour by the subjects of a study due to their awareness of being observed.
Have you ever noticed that many Academics often try to make a subtle point at the beginning of their writing with a quote or a definition? I am not a professional Academic though, more of a ‘Pracademic’, so I’ll spare you any further babble and get to the point.
I did not write the recent news.com.au article, titled Aussie Preppers Show Us Their Kits. I was contacted months ago by the author of that article [her name is clearly identified on the article page] and asked to answer some questions in relation to my PhD thesis findings. I had no control over the format of the article at all and I do not endorse this kind of reporting on the Australian Survivalist Sub-Culture. In fact, in my thesis [p. 41], I make it a point to identify that every media article ever written about Australian Survivalists comes across as a stand-alone entertainment piece, appearing to be focused only on maintaining marketable Survivalist stereotypes. The only difference between this latest article and all the other sensationalised ‘reporting’ in the past is that this one has someone with a PhD [that has actually bothered to take a rational look at some of the Sub-Culture’s members] saying that Australian Survivalists are people legitimately reacting to, and preparing for, valid human-made or naturally occurring potential threats.
My thesis, titled Charting The Path Of Radicalisation In The Australian Survivalist Sub-Culture, explored Survivalist ‘radicalisation’ as a behavioural and ideological development process - not a definite movement towards violence [that’s the incorrectly used media ‘version’ of the term]. My dissertation also includes other terms that could be misconstrued by those not willing to read the full explanations / discussion within the work. The label ‘Militant Survivalist’ is a term in the literal sense that identifies Survivalists that openly ‘advocate’ [promote / support / are open to] the use of violence against perceived threats, but it does not necessarily mean someone that has or will engage in acts of real physical violence in our current social circumstances. Contrary to what has been presented in the media in the past, my thesis supports one great, overarching research finding: the Australian Survivalist behavioural and ideological experience does not include a development stage that involves the perpetration of violent [extremist] acts. That is, while Australian Survivalists are found to be engaging in the activities and thought processes of their current Survivalist life-style [reflected in the identified development pathway, pp 128-140], it is unlikely that they will become a violent extremist risk. In the end, the research supports that Australian Survivalists do not desire to actively contribute to the destruction of the social systems in which we live, but more so to live beyond such catastrophic events should they occur.
Having said that though, any half-decent Security Studies researcher would be stupid not to consider the possibility of some Australian Survivalists [at some point in the future] succumbing to influences that may see them become isolated from the development path of the Sub-Culture and potentially result in them engaging in violent acts. A point that could be better argued against if it wasn’t for the incident involving Nick Newman in January this year. Unfortunately, when you are part of a sub-culture, you live and die by the actions of all its members, not just your own. While I’m on that point, look up Christopher Hardy; some open threats against a politician, a number of prep books / survival documents and knives at home [do these things sound familiar?] and suddenly he’s in gaol for a year.
Anyway, I won’t keep going on. My PhD was written to contribute to an academic debate only [that’s the sole purpose of them] but as a by-product it can also be used to support / validate the Australian Survivalist life-style choice. I know that is probably of no value to you as Survivalist individuals but it may be of benefit to you as a Survivalist collective, if and when it comes time to defend your life-style choice.
If you wish to contact me about any of this please PM me.
SH.
PS. One of the greatest days for me recently was when frostbite called me a “latte sipping vegan metro intellectual.” I’m Ex-2nd/4th Battalion [infantry] mate and that just cost you a beer. 
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Post by spinifex on Sept 28, 2018 18:50:39 GMT 10
"PS. One of the greatest days for me recently was when frostbite called me a “latte sipping vegan metro intellectual.” I’m Ex-2nd/4th Battalion [infantry] mate and that just cost you a beer. "Fella, there is nothing stopping you from being both those things. There are ex ADF in the prison system too. Some have had sex changes and professional cricket careers (good on Cate McGregor for treading a difficult path by the way). Some end up corporate managers and others run charities. One is the Govenor general. That's a wide spread of behaviour and values. Being part of a group is not a road map to individuals behaviours or values. Be it 'prepper', ADF or any other. Frostbite ... hold off on that beer!
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