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Post by graynomad on Nov 20, 2019 20:44:29 GMT 10
I was in Bunnings yesterday and two times by chance ran into people I haven't spoken to in a year or more (all non-preppers AFAIK). In both cases the conversation got straight onto how bad things are in the world and how things are turning to shite. The first thing one of them said was "Have you joined a militia yet?".
Later I overheard two separate conversations (while waiting to get to items I wanted) along the same lines. It seems that everywhere I go I hear the same stuff.
I still think that, as a rule, Aussies are too fat dumb and happy to actually do anything, and to be fair most (all?) of us have a good life compared to most of the world, but maybe there is a change in the wind.
To what end I have no idea, but it's interesting.
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Post by frostbite on Nov 21, 2019 4:16:32 GMT 10
I took a group of ladies I've known forever to the retreat last weekend. One of them saw my stash of food and said I'd be ready for the zombie apocalypse. And that she'd be heading there if the world is ending. Which is fine by me if she brings her two daughters, one of whom is a nurse, the other an industrial chemist. Just need a caravan and a recipe  Although she isn't in my good book at the moment, as she brought 10 hand rolled cigars back from her trip to Cuba and I missed out  |
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Post by norseman on Nov 21, 2019 5:59:15 GMT 10
I was in Bunnings yesterday and two times by chance ran into people I haven't spoken to in a year or more (all non-preppers AFAIK). In both cases the conversation got straight onto how bad things are in the world and how things are turning to shite. The first thing one of them said was "Have you joined a militia yet?". Later I overheard two separate conversations (while waiting to get to items I wanted) along the same lines. It seems that everywhere I go I hear the same stuff. I still think that, as a rule, Aussies are too fat dumb and happy to actually do anything, and to be fair most (all?) of us have a good life compared to most of the world, but maybe there is a change in the wind. To what end I have no idea, but it's interesting. graynomad Yes it's all very negative out in the real world, people are very anxious about the future, they know "something isn't right" or "something is happening". I've been asked to refrain from so called Anti-Government rhetoric here even if it's factual / evidence based so I won't get into a discussion as to what I believe is a major contributing factor. I know it was probably said tongue in cheek but joining a "militia" in Oz would be a really stupid idea it would be like painting a target on your back, the Feds would be crawling all over you within an hour! Besides as you say we just don't have the culture, need or drive to create such organisations. |
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Post by graynomad on Nov 21, 2019 6:11:58 GMT 10
Yeah I think they were joking about the militia thing, maybe not, but AFAIK there are none around here and anyway I ain't joining up if there is.
You're right about the culture, need and drive. We have none of the above here and that's a good thing for the most part, despite the ing (and I'm guilty of that as well) we have it pretty good here in Oz.
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Post by gasman on Nov 21, 2019 11:25:12 GMT 10
Agree
Many non prepper friends of mine are worried about fires ,China,big government etc etc
Our bushfire experience cemented preparedness in our neighbourhood
People are worried
Climate change is often a topic but so led by leftist politically correct hippies that it’s hard to take them seriously
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Post by SA Hunter on Nov 21, 2019 15:51:59 GMT 10
There is a youtube bloke doing videos about starting an Aussie militia.
I can see the target from here.
But, if people are even talking about it, it says something for the mindset that people are looking at. All is not well as out Govt would have us believe.
Frosty, maybe by definition your gatherings at Ft Frostbite are defined by some as "militia".
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Post by frostbite on Nov 21, 2019 16:15:57 GMT 10
Frosty, maybe by definition your gatherings at Ft Frostbite are defined by some as "militia". Most of the attendees at my gatherings are middle aged women, so I hereby dub them the 'Menopause Militia'. It would take a very brave, or very stupid, swat team to take them on. |
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Post by spinifex on Nov 21, 2019 16:52:34 GMT 10
I was in Bunnings yesterday and two times by chance ran into people I haven't spoken to in a year or more (all non-preppers AFAIK). In both cases the conversation got straight onto how bad things are in the world and how things are turning to shite. The first thing one of them said was "Have you joined a militia yet?". Later I overheard two separate conversations (while waiting to get to items I wanted) along the same lines. It seems that everywhere I go I hear the same stuff. I still think that, as a rule, Aussies are too fat dumb and happy to actually do anything, and to be fair most (all?) of us have a good life compared to most of the world, but maybe there is a change in the wind. To what end I have no idea, but it's interesting. The timing of your post is spooky. I was thinking about putting forward a similar idea based on my own gut feel and conversations with the gen-pop all day ... and its already here! There seems to be a growing sense that we are headed for 'difficulties'. I, for one, am unsettled by: The way weather/climate is consistently drifting towards conditions that make agricultural production an even more uncertain business. The weirdness in the fuel industry. We have governments that are striving to make people more and more 'compliant' in every element of our lives. We have market economies operating on pure BS with no anchor in reality. Interest rates in real terms (inflation adjusted) are negative! Mindless public infrastructure projects that produce almost no increase in economic output, but enrich a few very large construction companies, are commonplace. We don't manufacture any of the industrial essentials an economy relies on anymore. The cost of Lifes essentials (food, fuel, utilities and medicine) are all still rising while wage growth is stagnant - Hence we have bizarre 'buy now, pay later 60 months interest free' consumer credit for non-essentials in order for that part of the retail economy to keep its nose above water. I'm going to make it a mission to enjoy life as much as possible in the here and now! |
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Post by Beno on Nov 21, 2019 17:37:58 GMT 10
I was in Bunnings yesterday and two times by chance ran into people I haven't spoken to in a year or more (all non-preppers AFAIK). In both cases the conversation got straight onto how bad things are in the world and how things are turning to shite. The first thing one of them said was "Have you joined a militia yet?". Later I overheard two separate conversations (while waiting to get to items I wanted) along the same lines. It seems that everywhere I go I hear the same stuff. I still think that, as a rule, Aussies are too fat dumb and happy to actually do anything, and to be fair most (all?) of us have a good life compared to most of the world, but maybe there is a change in the wind. To what end I have no idea, but it's interesting. The timing of your post is spooky. I was thinking about putting forward a similar idea based on my own gut feel and conversations with the gen-pop all day ... and its already here! There seems to be a growing sense that we are headed for 'difficulties'. I, for one, am unsettled by: The way weather/climate is consistently drifting towards conditions that make agricultural production an even more uncertain business. This is what many scientists have predicted on an increasing frequency will happen whether people believe it or not, it’s well documented. Adaptation will be difficult on freehold titles.The weirdness in the fuel industry. Exploration is very low hence no new finds to make up for what we are burning today, that capital from exploration is being used to prop up the shale oil white elephant, pissant EROEI and has not made any money i.e. $250 billion in the red in US and Aus gave away our gas for fuking nothing. Follow the $.We have governments that are striving to make people more and more 'compliant' in every element of our lives. More people means more “management” is required according to some. Go to NT where individuals are appreciated and see the difference to southern Australia (although southerners are farking it up there too) follow the political $ i.e. China influence and their love of total control. We have market economies operating on pure BS with no anchor in reality. Interest rates in real terms (inflation adjusted) are negative! This is a fantastic way for the top .001 to keep control. Low interest rates means spend spend spend.....well it used to. I think people are definitely waking up to the fact that lots of crap does not equal a happy life hence lower consumption on crap or upgrading crap for new crap.Mindless public infrastructure projects that produce almost no increase in economic output, but enrich a few very large construction companies, are commonplace. Follow the $. There is economic benefit in tunnels but too bad if you are not in a capital city.We don't manufacture any of the industrial essentials an economy relies on anymore. That’s a capitalism fail, should never have let our companies leave our shores to make crap to sell back to us at mega inflated prices. Still most Aussies don’t effectively support aussie businesses as there is a significant difference in price. I like to know i’m contributing more than taxes to AU so I buy Au made about 80% when i have an option.The cost of Lifes essentials (food, fuel, utilities and medicine) are all still rising while wage growth is stagnant - Hence we have bizarre 'buy now, pay later 60 months interest free' consumer credit for non-essentials in order for that part of the retail economy to keep its nose above water. Someone said in another post we are fat and lazy...true so either get of the couch or stop whinging...lol. I'm going to make it a mission to enjoy life as much as possible in the here and now! Yep ikm drinking wine and being facetious. |
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Post by spinifex on Nov 21, 2019 18:15:01 GMT 10
The causes don't bother me ... just the general effects. For me specifically; life will roll on regardless.
Remember the 'Cold War'? Possible nuclear warfare at any time? I miss 'the good old days'!
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Post by Joey on Nov 21, 2019 19:43:00 GMT 10
1: Mindless public infrastructure projects that produce almost no increase in economic output, but enrich a few very large construction companies, are commonplace. 2:We don't manufacture any of the industrial essentials an economy relies on anymore. 1: Most of these projects will just be election promise white elephants. Why do you need to tear down a perfectly functional footy stadium just to rebuilt it again? This is just about keeping the sheeple happy while throwing their money away to the governments best buddies in the construction game. We can all agree that this infrastructure money would be better spent on projects such as water security, border protection at our porous ports etc 2: You can thank the labor government in 1975 when they signed the UN Lima Declaration for this. Post WW2 the Aussie labor market was made up of roughly 60% working in the manufacturing industries. Then along came the UN with this shiny piece of paper that said we had to "wealth share" with third world countries and send our manufacturing offshore to these third world countries to "share" some money with them. Coupled with company greed of getting some third world slave on 20cents an hour in Chine or India to make their goods over a well paid Aussie factory worker. And now from that China has become a manufacturing powerhouse. Because of our dependence on cheap foreign labour for manufacturing, we have in turn lost our skills in manufacturing. So if pushcame to shove and WW3 broke out next week, we would be well and truly behind the 8 ball as we have no industry setup ready to ramp up manufacturing military supplies etc. |
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Post by Joey on Nov 21, 2019 19:43:45 GMT 10
Also, I'm pretty sure if any started an Aussie militia, they would be shut down very quickly and classed as a terrorist organisation |
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Post by spatial on Nov 21, 2019 20:24:10 GMT 10
Stock market is primed for a fall, world GDP is in a tailspin. Interest rates dropping and more money printing all signs of big troubles.
World food supply there is daily bad news coming in.
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Post by milspec on Nov 21, 2019 22:03:12 GMT 10
I believe that greed (corporate/individual) and desire for power (individual & politicians) have a lot to answer for, in so far as a very small percentage of the population feathers their own nest at the expense of the masses... and the planet. It's been that way through history of course, it's just the scale of the consequences which have become so massive, so global.
Religion used to be a tool for keeping the masses fearful and obedient. That's falling by the wayside these days. It's not really surprising that the masses are starting to feel like they're vulnerable as they notice things deteriorate and become increasingly fragile around them.
They should be worried of course. They have valid reasons.
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Post by norseman on Nov 22, 2019 7:39:27 GMT 10
Also, I'm pretty sure if any started an Aussie militia, they would be shut down very quickly and classed as a terrorist organisation Have you ever checked out what a "Militia" looks like in America Joey? Mate they are a joke! I like this model for a Rural Self Defence Organisation:- en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commando_System_(South_Africa)This concept was sanctioned, organised and funded by the SA Government until a Rainbow Warrior / Communist became President and disbanded the organisation! "The farmer-commandos receive a few weekends of training as army reservists and are each given an assault rifle. When they respond to an incident, the police do, too. But the police force is stretched thin in farm areas, trying to cover vast areas with few officers or vehicles. The farmers often get there much sooner." |
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Post by frostbite on Nov 22, 2019 15:41:53 GMT 10
I can't see your average aussie cocky being part of anything as effective as the Boer Commando. They are too busy in-fighting over stock, fences and shared roads to ever be part of anything so cohesive. And they reckon blockies are useless. Bwahaha. You would be astounded at the pettiness of my third generation sheep farming neighbours.
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Post by feralemma on Nov 22, 2019 18:02:52 GMT 10
I can't see your average aussie cocky being part of anything as effective as the Boer Commando. They are too busy in-fighting over stock, fences and shared roads to ever be part of anything so cohesive. And they reckon blockies are useless. Bwahaha. You would be astounded at the pettiness of my third generation sheep farming neighbours. Most cockies are currently too busy trying to find feed to get their livestock thru this summer to bother arguing with their neighbours! Or out fighting fires 🤷♀️ |
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Post by bce1 on Nov 22, 2019 18:54:12 GMT 10
What is going on is exponential - climate, ecosystem destruction, resource consumption, and population growth. People for the most part don't understand exponential change - but it reaches the point when you start to hit the steep part of the curve and this is where things are starting to become so obvious it becomes much harder to ignore. We have a financial and political system built entirely on growth and to keep the economy moving the central banks are looking at negative interest rates. It can only be ignored or explained away for so long. If a collapse isn't sudden I hate to think what will happen when people figure out that their super isn't growing and that what they have been told about compound interest isn't going to double or triple their savings - tangible assets in the medium term - land, useful assets - longer term I don't think anything will help
Guy Macpherson (for those who haven't discovered him before) is an American who thinks we will all be extinct in the next decade - I think he is talking through his arse - he reaches his conclusions by by adding seperate systems together to get to his conclusions and you cannot do that in science without established relationships - which is why I think much of his conclusions are rubbish - but his descriptions around exponential growth and positive and negative feedback in nature - which is all really just simple population biology - it isn't that radical (as opposed to his conclusions) and are bloody scary by themselves without adding to it.
Im off to a two day workshop now for doctors who do third world work on basic dentistry techniques - I know the basic theory but it will be good to get some practical skills !!!
I miss Tex Arcane for all his paranoid ravings he had a lot of really sensible ideas as well !! His saying is becoming more prophetic by the day...... "pack your rice"
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Post by wanderer on Nov 22, 2019 23:39:18 GMT 10
What is going on is planned obsolescence imo, harking back to what norseman said about our lack of manufacturing in Australia is really worrying, the .gov has sold us out. We import cheap crap from china and assemble it here, we export good food and import inferior crap. Our reliance on growth as bce1 mentions is pivotal, our growth is centered on how much society can consume and the balance the .gov can strike it rich with their chinese counterparts, traitorclass!
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Post by frostbite on Nov 23, 2019 4:50:26 GMT 10
I don't know what the future holds, but I do know that we are still in the time of plenty.
Myself, the mrs, my kids, my friends, my friend's kids, all working in good jobs, some very well paid, some of us still have unlimited overtime because our part of the economy is so strong. My son, for instance, works in residential/ commercial contruction and is still working 100hrs a week, despite the naysayers claiming for years that the industry is in decline. My industry is directly impacted by consumer spending and we are so busy we've had to cap staff to 12hr shifts for safety reasons, and we still can't go close to completing our work.
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