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Post by myrrph on Feb 12, 2014 0:40:06 GMT 10
I've been going around the forums pushing this because its a heck of a good SHTF charger. I believe in redundancies. So not only should we depend on solar but there must be _other_ ways to generate electricity. Minimally to charge the batteries. For commz, Torch or even a usb powered fan! www.biolitestove.com/This is an alternative. NExt post on how it works and possibly how to build one
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Post by myrrph on Feb 12, 2014 0:45:34 GMT 10
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2014 8:42:39 GMT 10
Great post Myrrph!!!
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Post by myrrph on Feb 12, 2014 10:15:11 GMT 10
thanks Dr Gaz!
haha.. i'm very intrigued by this biostove thing and stumbled upon the candle powered fan.
When biostove came up with the home stove, and explained some of the mechanics, then it all made sense. Gonna try building my own !
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Post by pheniox17 on Feb 12, 2014 10:42:56 GMT 10
note on my order list
if you do order this, order the cooking pots and stuff that come in a package, apparently (on good advice) it's the best way to go
if I ever get around to ordering one will post a review
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Post by myrrph on Feb 12, 2014 11:20:16 GMT 10
i am actually planning to build one :X lol
let me get the peltier coolers first! haha
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Post by shinester on Feb 15, 2014 22:17:31 GMT 10
I loved the idea when I first saw this, and having had a background in electronics, I just had to look into it their capabilities. In having done so, I can see how it has it's uses, particularly if you wanted to get power whilst inside. Whilst solar to my mind would be primary because it's better bang for buck, it's certainly got some specific uses and I have edited this to reflect that. So to 'add' additional info reflecting and comparing solar versus thermo, I have included the following info. Here's a real world use vid. Max continuous: 2W @5v, Peak: 4W @5v. - so 2W 'max' continuous and this is only if you can maintain a temperature difference, have to feed it constantly, yadda yadda and sit around for at least 5hrs to charge a phone. The cup charger is here which seems to be a better, but I don't recommend it either, I recommend using a solar panels. For stationaryFor the equivalent $150ish you can get a really good size [100W+basic charge controller], or you can go portable that will charge potentially charge your phone in 10mins, though your phone will limit the charge speed. Basically you have more power than you need to charge a phone and you can use that for other tasks. Perhaps getting a smaller panel with a battery backup and basic inverter [you can just about do it for $200, 40W panel, 40aH battery, cheap inverter, cheap charge controller] and you have a charge/power centre you can use with any low current devices, at any time of the day with far more capabilites. For portibilityYou could also go something like this for $124, that's 28W, very portable and you don't have to feed it fuel, even lying it flat [not optimal], even in the middle of winter [less sun light and less intensity] it will provide much more power than the thermal electricity generators who at best are 2W, is cheaper and you don't have to feed it sticks every minute so can do other important things. You could also go the large battery, small panel as per HERE. 23,000aH [5-6 phone charges] with a 2.25W panel which is about the same output and yet will hold onto a good deal of charge when you're using your phone/radio. I don't recommend it, I'd spend the money on the panels and use the phone to store the energy, though it may be relevant to some applications. Ausprepper [Wayne] is the real expert on portable solar, having sold and used them for many years. Gaz uses a fridge powered by solar for more static operations and both have given plenty of insights into the merits of solar. So compared to solar, thermo electric isn't a first runner though would have it's uses and would remain a potential energy/battery charging. Having said that, I see how if you made your own [only a few bucks in parts really] then it might turn out to be something that could work as backup to something like solar
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Post by myrrph on Feb 16, 2014 20:34:55 GMT 10
i get you on Solar. I believe Solar is the way to go but again, in my first post in the thread, I mentioned that I believe in redundancies. What if scenarios run through my mind. What if the solar panels die out? or someone comes along and damages or worse, STEALS my solar panels? I could have backups and I could have redundancies. When I was in the DDP Forums, someone told me this. "2 is 1 and 1 is none" ... this simple mantra reverberated through me quite a fair bit. Your comment is fair and damn the cup charger looks really good And yes, thermo wouldn't beat solar but thermo is a redundancy that was the thread intent and yes, the whole purpose is to build my own. Thats really the cool part about it, thermo is cheap enough to play around and build as a DIY Experiment. haha ... we're all here to learn and I dare say I've learnt much from your 1 humble post way to go mate!
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Post by shinester on Feb 17, 2014 0:23:21 GMT 10
As I yours. I think I'm reconsidering my position as you're right about redundancies, even having a couple of versions of solar I can see how if you need to be inside and want to charge a phone it could be useful. Going to edit to reflect this thinking.
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Post by myrrph on Feb 17, 2014 10:53:28 GMT 10
no worries mate we're all here to learn. I'm trying to build my Bug in with batteries... AA or smaller. When I have that capability, I'll build bigger. Living in an apartment really makes you think hard on what to store up on.
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Post by graynomad on May 1, 2014 18:59:20 GMT 10
An old mantra and very true.
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Post by Jackosaur on May 21, 2014 12:33:22 GMT 10
I'm thinking about this one.
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Post by myrrph on May 21, 2014 12:51:38 GMT 10
Check the video Shinester shared.
It really depends on the wattage of the TE device.
I like the idea of using a large TE device and using water as the coolant as opposed to air. This means you generate electricity cooking stews, soups, rice and boiling water.
Just my 2cents
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Post by Jackosaur on May 21, 2014 18:02:35 GMT 10
The video may be biased as the reviewer had his own product to push. Maybe not but it may.
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Post by myrrph on May 21, 2014 19:57:11 GMT 10
best way. Get a higher TE value and build your own! I'm waiting for august when my bonus comes in to buy the parts to build a couple, myself!
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Post by graynomad on May 22, 2014 0:18:54 GMT 10
So do these just use a peltier device? I've got some lying around somewhere, maybe I should give it a try.
The one jackosaur linked to produces 5W, aka 1 amp out a USB connector which is ok, not up to a small solar pack but you can't cook with PV cells so I think the two may be good as backups for each other.
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Post by myrrph on May 22, 2014 10:58:47 GMT 10
yup, just a peltier.
I like the idea of using a pot over the air cooled version of the biostove. but I could be wrong.
Give it a try and share the results!
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Post by Jackosaur on May 22, 2014 16:15:22 GMT 10
Well I bought one of the basecamps, I got lured in by the free carry bag for kickstarter supporters. I'll let you know how it performs once I receive it in a few months time.
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Post by myrrph on May 22, 2014 22:30:22 GMT 10
cool! gonna head down to some electronic shops to buy the Peltiers in August when the bonus comes in
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Post by graynomad on May 23, 2014 7:07:26 GMT 10
I can't do anything until I've finished building, hopefully I can find those peltiers I have stored somewhere then. You'll probably beat me to it Myrrph.
Actually I just had a thought, that stove is way too large for bushwalking so I wonder if it's possible to make a gadget that's just a charger, ie you throw it in a fire and have a USB connector on the end of a wire. The mechanics of protecting from the heat would be the hard part I think.
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