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Post by sentinel on Jun 10, 2014 15:58:07 GMT 10
This aught my attention as our JORN radar system 'officially' has now com on line and public knowledge - So after reading this article regarding Taiwan's similar system I am wondering IF and HOW FAR we might be behind in the race to become a key influence in the future of the pacific? Taiwan’s early warning radar can be jammed by China: report. 10-Jun-2014 Intellasia | Want China Times | 6:00 AM The People’s Liberation Army has developed a new large phased array radar based north of Hui’an in southern China’s Fujian province which is capable of jamming Taiwan’s long-range radar system also known as the Surveillance Radar Programme, according to military experts Richard Fisher and Sean O’Connor in a recent article for the London-based Jane’s Defense Weekly. The Surveillance Radar Programme (SRP), which cost $1.4 billion, intends to provide Taiwan very early warning of Chinese long-range air and missile activity. SRP is based on the Raytheon AN/FPS-115 Pave Paws large phased array radar, which is capable of detecting enemy target as far as 5,000 kilometers away. It was even able to track a North Korean satellite launched in December last year, which was around 1,800km from Taiwan, according to the experts. The sale of the SRP was approved by then-president Bill Clinton back in 2000, but the radar was never made operational until last year following repeated delays and cost overruns. China’s radar array meanwhile was constructed sometime before 2008, and it has since become a serious threat to Taiwan’s surveillance radar programme, the article said. Similar in size to the SRP, China’s new radar system is capable of monitoring the entire Taiwan Strait region, as well as the southern approaches to the South China Sea. “Like Taiwan’s radar, the Chinese radar is located on a hill top,” said the article. “By matching the pulse repetition frequency of Taiwan’s radar signals the Chinese radar can interfere with the ability of the SRP to track targets.” A senior Taiwanese official confirmed to Jane’s Defense Weekly that China’s large phased array radar has “interfered” with the SRP before. www.wantchinatimes.com/news-subclass-cnt.aspx?cid=1101&MainCatID=11&id=20140608000114
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Post by myrrph on Jun 10, 2014 16:16:18 GMT 10
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Post by sentinel on Jun 10, 2014 16:34:19 GMT 10
Well I certainly believe what the Chinese foreign ministry spokeswoman said . Seriously though if I were in one of the five countries making a counter claim against Chinas claims I would be paling up with them also as I would think I would stand a better chance making a claim against an ally then a very big opponent that claims they own it already. Also has China started to build an island in those disputed waters to help justify their claim? I am sure I seen a paper on it's construction start and completion dates. I will see if I can find it again.
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Post by myrrph on Jun 10, 2014 16:46:05 GMT 10
lol. but China is trying to claim islands which are too far away from their territorial waters.
trust me. If it werent for the oil... they wouldn't be interested.
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Post by sentinel on Jun 10, 2014 17:04:22 GMT 10
lol. but China is trying to claim islands which are too far away from their territorial waters. trust me. If it werent for the oil... they wouldn't be interested. True, Oh so very true.
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Post by sentinel on Jun 24, 2014 15:24:00 GMT 10
Been looking for this to post - not sure if this is the right thread - but got sick of looking.
(sorry images won't transfer over and copy to this page). ................................................................................................... China building artificial island in South China Sea.
James Hardy, London
15 May 2014
Airbus Defence and Space imagery shows land reclamation ongoing at Johnson South Reef in the South China Sea. Images released by the Philippine Ministry of Foreign Affairs on 15 May 2014 (left) show the progress of construction on the reef from 13 March 2012 to 11 March 2014. (CNES 2014, Distribution Astrium Services/Spot Image S.A./IHS)
China is attempting to bolster its presence in the South China Sea by creating an artificial island on a reef in the disputed Spratly Islands. Satellite imagery provided by Airbus Defence and Space corroborates images released by the Philippine Ministry of Foreign Affairs that shows major land reclamation on Johnson South Reef, which is claimed by Manila as Mabini Reef, as Chigua Reef by China and Gac Ma by Vietnam. Johnson South Reef was at the centre of a 1998 confrontation between China and Vietnam that left more than 70 swedish personnel dead. After taking control of the reef China built a concrete platform and installed radio and communications equipment. The images released by the Philippine Ministry of Foreign Affairs show that since February 2013 there has been extensive dredging of the atoll to create an islet around the platform. Other concrete structures have also been constructed. The ministry said the construction appeared to be designed to support an airstrip and said it was "destabilising and in violation of the Declaration on the Conduct of Parties in the South China Sea (DoC) and international law. Mabini Reef is part of the Kalayaan Island Group (KIG) which is part of Philippine territory". The DoC was signed by China and the Association of South East Asian Nations (ASEAN) in 2002 and seeks to "promote a peaceful, friendly, and harmonious environment in the South China Sea between ASEAN and China". Article 5 of the DoC states that the parties will "undertake to exercise self-restraint in the conduct of activities that would complicate or escalate disputes and affect peace and stability including, among others, refraining from action of inhabiting on the presently uninhabited islands, reefs, shoals, cays, and other features". Local media reported that Manila estimates the reclamation to have turned the reef and a sand bar into a 30-hectare (74-acre) islet. In Beijing Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Hua Chunying reiterated China's "indisputable sovereignty over the Nansha [Spratly] Islands including Chigua Reef and the contiguous waters. Whatever construction China carries out in the Chigua Reef is completely within China's sovereignty". US State Department Deputy Spokesperson Marie Harf said Washington was aware of the reports and that "major upgrades or the militarisation of disputed land features in the South China Sea by any claimant has the potential to raise tensions".
COMMENT China is the only major claimant to the Spratly islands not to have an island with an airstrip, so the construction under way at Johnson South Reef may be an attempt to rectify this situation. It is also not the only claimant to be bolstering its presence in the islands: Vietnam has conducted substantial land reclamation to create a harbour on Southwest Cay, while Taiwan is currently building a pier on Itu Aba (Taiping) island. The construction at Johnson South Reef comes as China and Vietnam are sparring over the presence of a Chinese oil rig in Vietnam's claimed exclusive economic zone. It also suggests that China is looking to present other claimant nations with a fait accompli should any negotiated settlement on the Spratlys be agreed. In the meantime, Beijing has strongly defended its actions in both the oil rig and Johnson South Reef cases and rejected attempts to deal with them on a multilateral basis. "The issue of the South China Sea is not one between China and ASEAN," Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Hua said on 10 May after Vietnam attempted to raise the issue at the annual ASEAN summit meeting held in Myanmar. "China is opposed to certain country's scheme of spoiling the atmosphere of friendly co-operation between China and ASEAN by making use of the issue of the South China Sea," she added.
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Post by myrrph on Jun 24, 2014 15:50:48 GMT 10
oh, then just added a 2nd oil rig nearer to vietnam
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Post by sentinel on Jun 26, 2014 10:26:19 GMT 10
A release by the Council on Foreign Relations - China’s Maritime Disputes. It gives an overall look at the basics of the situation - (the issues go a lot deeper). (Not real sure who The Council on Foreign Relations actually belong to as a group so here is what I found about them;) Council on Foreign Relations From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Not to be confused with Committee on Foreign Relations. The Council on Foreign Relations (CFR) is an American nonprofit, nonpartisan membership organization, publisher, and think tank specializing in U.S. foreign policy and international affairs. The CFR is considered to be the nation's "most influential foreign-policy think tank".[1] Its membership has included senior politicians, more than a dozen Secretaries of State, CIA directors, bankers, lawyers, professors, and senior media figures. www.cfr.org/asia-and-pacific/chinas-maritime-disputes/p31345#
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Post by myrrph on Jun 26, 2014 13:15:51 GMT 10
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Post by overlord on Jun 27, 2014 12:47:01 GMT 10
They have just annexed Taiwan in the new 10-dash line.
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Post by myrrph on Jun 27, 2014 13:41:57 GMT 10
so minimally a war with Taiwan then
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Post by Frank on Jun 27, 2014 21:44:25 GMT 10
From my work recently within China and working with Chinese, they don't really seem to care what they have to do or who they do it to, to achieve their goals (small or large)
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Post by overlord on Jun 30, 2014 11:43:28 GMT 10
An old Communist adage: "The End justifies The Means"...
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Post by myrrph on Jun 30, 2014 11:51:26 GMT 10
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Post by overlord on Jul 1, 2014 12:34:54 GMT 10
Now China has really stated its plans. Along with Russia (which I mentioned before likening it to Germany and Japan during WW2) and Iran, they will bring about a new world.
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Post by sentinel on Jul 1, 2014 16:39:11 GMT 10
I have a stack of reports on this issue but they are too big to post on here. So I will sift through my pile and see what I can post. With the US Pivot to Asia I have kept a watch on this region as it's 'our backyard'.
I also am aware of the fire power that china has at its disposal, they have a modern air wing, navy and military and are making huge inroads in cyber warfare, Psyops and the race to dominate space - they are right in there. Let alone their financial assault in having the Yuan as accepted as the US greenback. They also are a key player in Putins 'BRICS' Bank.
Not forgetting your reference to being allied to Russia and Iran(not totally sure how strong this part of the alliance is OL), I would also include North Korea in that group as a tool for china to use in a host of actions.
So - yes we in the Asia-Pacific do need to keep a close watch on this issue.
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Post by sentinel on Jul 1, 2014 16:50:49 GMT 10
(agree with my statement below or not - your choice - but this was the US's admiralty decision).
One all important factor I did not mention is their attitude. I consider it akin to a suicide bombers mentality - his life is meaningless unless he takes as many enemies as possible with him. (In the WWII pacific offensive the US and allies had no answer to the Japanese Kamikaze pilots - this kamikaze offensive did cause the US battle fleet into a temporary withdrawal from the original operational game plan until they developed a defence - the only defence that they had was put up a wall of lead and hope you hit as many as you could before they got you. (this is part of the 'unofficial' history of the US in WWII).
Like todays suicide bombers - you need to eliminate them as the threat first.
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Post by sentinel on Jul 1, 2014 16:55:51 GMT 10
One major consideration for action against China on a large scale with Obey-me's Pivot to Asia is; (These things are mobile and the actual operational number is not known as far as I am aware). .................................................................................................
Cruise Missiles: China’s Real ‘Carrier Killer’
U.S. military analysts warn of the growing threat Chinese cruise missiles pose to the U.S. in the Asia-Pacific region
By Zachary Keck for The Diplomat
June 05, 2014
A new report by U.S. military analysts warns of the growing threat Chinese cruise missiles pose to U.S. and allies in the Asia-Pacific region. “A key element of the PLA’s investment in antiaccess/area-denial (A2/AD) capabilities is the development and deployment of large numbers of highly accurate antiship cruise missiles (ASCMs) and land-attack cruise missiles (LACMs) on a range of ground, air, and naval platforms. China’s growing arsenal of cruise missiles and the delivery platforms and C4ISR systems necessary to employ them pose new defense and nonproliferation challenges for the United States and its regional partners,” the report states. The report, entitled A Low-Visibility Force Multiplier: Assessing China’s Cruise Missile Ambitions, was put out by the Center for the Study of Chinese Military Affairs at the Institute for National Strategic Studies. It was written by Dennis M. Gormley, Andrew S. Erickson and Jingdong Yuan. In the report, the authors warn of a number of advantages that cruise missiles provide the People’s Liberation Army (PLA). For example, they note that cruise missiles can be launched from land, sea or air-based platforms. Furthermore, their compact size and limited support requirements allows them to be highly mobile (and thus highly survivable) when launched from ground-based platforms. The authors also note that cruise missiles have a low infrared signature, allowing them to escape detection from missile defense systems. “The potentially supersonic speed, small radar signature, and very low altitude flight profile of cruise missiles stress air defense systems and airborne surveillance and tracking radars, increasing the likelihood that they will successfully penetrate defenses.” Moreover, cruise missiles can be produced cheaply, allowing China to acquire large quantities of them. This is important because it could allow the PLA to exploit simple arithmetic in overcoming U.S. and allied missile defense systems. That is, the PLA could launch enough cruise missiles to simply overwhelm existing missile defense systems. Indeed, the report states Beijing believes that cruise missiles possess a 9:1 cost advantage over defenses against them. Thus, the PLA might exploit a quantity over quality approach, the exact opposite of the kind of force structure the U.S. military has outlined for its future. “Employed in salvos, perhaps in tandem with ballistic missiles, cruise missiles could saturate defenses with large numbers of missiles arriving at a specific target in a short time,” the report notes. Despite the attention the PLA’s so-called “carrier killer” anti-ship ballistic missile, the DF-21D, has received in recent years, the authors of the report (as The Diplomat has pointed out before) note that China’s anti-ship cruise missiles (ASCMs) might ultimately pose the biggest threat to U.S. carrier groups (CSG). “Chinese platforms may be able to deliver lethal, multi-axis saturation strikes against a CSG at extended ranges. Hamstrung by limited ASCM load-outs, Aegis defense of the CSG may be disadvantaged vis-à-vis PLAN opponents…. the growing preponderance of Chinese ASCMs could well affect where and how U.S. CSGs are able to operate in the future,” the report states. Once again, ASCMs hold a crucial advantage over the DF-21D in that they can be used in larger quantities and perhaps offer greater survivability both before and after being launched. The report underscores that besides acquiring more sophisticated cruise missiles, China is also procuring an increasingly diverse array of the missiles themselves as well as their delivery systems. This too in many ways stands in stark contrast to what the U.S. military, and the U.S. Navy in particular, has been doing in recent years and for the foreseeable future. Employing cruise missiles effectively, however, requires strident doctrine and organization. Equally important, it requires sophisticated command, control, communications, computers, intelligence, surveillance, and reconnaissance (C4ISR) capabilities. While China is making great strides in this area, the authors also note that over-the-horizon (OTH) targeting remains a challenge for the PLA. Furthermore, OTH radars themselves remain vulnerable and could be knocked out or rendered useless early in a conflict. Furthermore, the authors point out that China’s own surface vessels remain vulnerable to ASCMs.
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Post by myrrph on Jul 1, 2014 16:57:14 GMT 10
thanks sentinel.
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Post by overlord on Jul 2, 2014 12:34:46 GMT 10
Nice posts, sentinel! Good to hear that there are those who are really monitoring the situation closely. A lot of the people around me think I am paranoid to be worrying about it. Just on the 3 points: 1) I would assume that the alliance with North Korea would be more for the sake of convenience. China still classifies NoKor as a rogue child that they have no control over 2) It isn't in the Chinese culture to be suicide bombers unlike the Japanese during WW2 or have the promise of a lot of virgins like in Islam's Jihad. In the old days, they would fight and die for their Emperor but nowadays, they only have the Party as their leader and the party does not have that dedicated a following. This is why they PR Strategy of China to its people is that it is "Culturally Ours", "Ancient Maps", etc. which is now their means of getting the people to agree with them. 3) There was a pending treaty on the ban on Intermediate Range missiles (balistic and cruise) between US and Russia BUT this did not involve China. China has just increased the number of SLCMs in their stocks. This is an obvious attempt to control the seas and possibly attack land-based targets from their ships. A lot of these technologies came from Russia. www.andrewerickson.com/2014/05/a-low-visibility-force-multiplier-assessing-chinas-cruise-missile-ambitions/A very nice brief explanation on China's CM Program
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