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Post by spatial on Jul 7, 2022 13:04:46 GMT 10
Spatial, Any more detail on what’s got the dutch farmers in a tizzy? Stupid green agenda. Limit on nitrogen fertilizer usage <30%N. All this during an unprecedented global food shortage.. The left are now totally unhinged. Fishers are now supporting them as well www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/7/4/dutch-farmers-block-food-distribution-ports-overFarmers in the Netherlands have blockaded supermarket distribution centres in continuing protests against n ew environmental rules on nitrogen emissions that are likely to put many of them out of business. Fishers on Monday blocked ports in a show of support for farmers. The blockade prevented ferries from sailing to almost all the Wadden Islands off the country’s northern coast and caused lengthy delays, shipping companies reported.
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Post by malewithatail on Jul 7, 2022 16:16:53 GMT 10
A few quick calculations re electric vehicles. The latest is that from 2023, all chargers must be able to be remotely controlled, so as to be able to be switched off by the supply authority during peak demand times, such as from 6 till 10 pm. A electric vehicle fast charger takes around 300 kw, or the same amount of power as 20 large houses. If all vehicles were electric, not counting trucks that need up to 500 kw, then every house will need a supply of that magnitude. Aint gunna happen. So, from simple math, we need at least 20 X more power generation. Solar wont cut it as it only works during the day, wind is too spasmodic, hydro is a waste of water that could be better used growing food. Whats the answer ?? Nuclear ?? Bio mass ? Batteries ?? There isn't enough lithium in the world to make enough battery's to meet the demand. And there isn't enough electricity now. The grid is perpetually on the brink of failure on a cold or hot day. Just wait until foot and mouth happens, along with veroa destroying the bees, and Australia will be looking at over 100 trillion dollars damage,plus chronic food shortages. Get used to eating insects people !
It works better when you turn the brightness up.....
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Post by ausprep130 on Jul 7, 2022 17:28:21 GMT 10
The left have got a LOT to answer for. Gone are the days where they led protests against the Vietnam war, calling out corrupt politicians etc. They are now often more pro-government than the government is. ANTIFA are the modern day brownshirts. They masquerade as some sort of anti-racist group, when in reality they are a practically whites-only group who are pro-authoritarian and violent in nature. Do you mean the government has gone too far LEFT? Because the protesting farmers certainly aren't "LEFT". It was the police that were using "LEFTIST" tactics to damage/disable the farmer's tractors.
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Post by frostbite on Jul 7, 2022 18:19:42 GMT 10
"Get used to eating insects people !"
Or get used to hunting and/or fishing.
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Post by malewithatail on Jul 7, 2022 20:43:29 GMT 10
Hunting or fishing.....Australia is a old country and doesnt have a lot of wild game. Roos are there, and smaller types, but there isnt much, especially around towns, and what is there will be hunted out quickly in a collapse. Fishing may last a bit longer, especially along the coasts. Kyaks and rowboats will be the order of the day as fuel will be rationed, and if you use a motor, you make yourself a target.
You know you own an old tractor when, hand cranking is the usual way to start it.
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Post by frostbite on Jul 7, 2022 20:46:59 GMT 10
Australia is awash with wild game, some of it 8ft tall (ever stood beside a camel, MWAT?).
Pigs, goats, roos, buffalo, rabbits, deer all in abundance, in some places even in plague proportions.
The Illawarra is being overwhelmed with deer. They come right into the suburbs. They are everywhere.
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Post by ausprep130 on Jul 7, 2022 21:14:32 GMT 10
Australia is awash with wild game, some of it 8ft tall (ever stood beside a camel, MWAT?). Pigs, goats, roos, buffalo, rabbits, deer all in abundance, in some places even in plague proportions. The Illawarra is being overwhelmed with deer. They come right into the suburbs. They are everywhere. Plenty of deer in the ranges just outside of metro Melbourne too. Alas most of it is out of bounds for hunting at present. But then again we are talking about SHTF situation where rule of law is out the window.
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Post by bug on Jul 8, 2022 9:35:31 GMT 10
Deer are in plague proportions in the hills and farms near melbourne.
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Post by Beno on Jul 8, 2022 10:22:19 GMT 10
I think you”ll find they are harvested very quickly in SHTF and become a very limited resource any where near population centres. Humans do a good imitation of locusts when there is limited food available. Research some of the mass migrations due to starvation and you’ll see lots of references to roots, grass and bark and the distances from major migration paths that everything was stripped bare.scary thought.
meat in my freezer now is preferable to hunting with 20,000 other hungry mouths. Or you could live in the semi arid areas and eat meat all day every day without competition. Just buy a few pairs of good boots and get used to walking long distances with heavy loads.
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Post by malewithatail on Jul 8, 2022 13:37:06 GMT 10
Right on mate, also, how about all those "weekend warriors" who think they know how to hunt and end up shooting each other, and possibly you if you are in their way ?
Its a tough job, so Id rather you do it !
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Post by frostbite on Jul 8, 2022 14:00:15 GMT 10
You grossly overestimate people. 96% will bend over and accept all their protein from insects, much like they accepted the grubbyment's experimental covid injection.
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Post by Beno on Jul 8, 2022 14:05:39 GMT 10
“you will own nothing, eat crickets and be happy”
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Post by Beno on Jul 8, 2022 14:10:16 GMT 10
Why not bypass the insect BS and go for the good shit soylent green?
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Post by rastus on Aug 14, 2022 12:21:10 GMT 10
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Post by Stealth on Aug 14, 2022 12:28:29 GMT 10
Why not bypass the insect BS and go for the good shit soylent green? In fairness a lot of Asian cultures eat huge amounts of insects and do very well with them in their diet. You can even buy bags of 'cricket flour' here in aus for baking! Not to mention the ones mob get their hands on. Honey ants, anyone? I haven't tried them myself but I reckon I'd chuck a few in my mouth with enthusiasm if they were offered to me. They sound like really tasty tucker I've always been tempted to try witchetty grub too, but they're definitely something I'd have to try cooked over a fire. The idea of eating them raw is as appealing as the idea of raw oyster. HURK. Hahaha.
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Post by Beno on Aug 14, 2022 14:12:10 GMT 10
i understand that but in my opinion one should look to see why they eat this stuff and most of the time it is due to fighting off starvation particularly in difficult to farm areas like jungles. Yes it is a good source of food….for some….in some areas of the world. Show said people a steak or a box of crickets and i bet 100% of the time they’ll pick the steak if they are hungry.
If i want to eat a grub or a cricket i will but i don’t need need to be guilt tripped into eating them due to a “green” agenda and ostracised about my love for lots of red meat. And yes the guilt tripping has definitely started. It’s all side salad anyway……most of those countries that eat a lot of grubs just need to keep their willies in their pants then they might enjoy a better standard of living. Having a “whistlecock” might be the next green fad.
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Post by frostbite on Aug 14, 2022 16:10:20 GMT 10
I prep so I don't have to eat insects.
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Post by bug on Aug 14, 2022 16:30:06 GMT 10
Happy to eat insects if they are any good. Not exactly a vegetarian dream though. A life is still a life, so the ethics are the same as meat.
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Post by spinifex on Aug 14, 2022 16:52:26 GMT 10
Spatial, Any more detail on what’s got the dutch farmers in a tizzy? Stupid green agenda. Limit on nitrogen fertilizer usage <30%N. All this during an unprecedented global food shortage.. The left are now totally unhinged. Fishers are now supporting them as well www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/7/4/dutch-farmers-block-food-distribution-ports-overFarmers in the Netherlands have blockaded supermarket distribution centres in continuing protests against n ew environmental rules on nitrogen emissions that are likely to put many of them out of business. Fishers on Monday blocked ports in a show of support for farmers. The blockade prevented ferries from sailing to almost all the Wadden Islands off the country’s northern coast and caused lengthy delays, shipping companies reported. Its like these people who eat food and emit brain-farts as policy ideas ... have NFI how food is produced in modern quantities at modern prices. Synthetic Nitrogen Fert is bloody expensive ... Im confident that food growers aren't being too extravagant with its use. N use is directly correlated with crop yield in all food crops. 30% less N would mean a significant drop in food production.
The EU also has a bunch of Bollocks regulations that sees a fair proportion of food produced simply discarded as "not meeting spec". They put it in methane digesters without any thought to what it cost to produce it ... then feel happy about producing renewable gas. Better to put that non-spec produce on shelves at a lower price and have it eaten.
The epidemic of Stupid has now seemingly hit the point of Darwin Award level self-destruction.
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Post by Beno on Aug 14, 2022 17:23:41 GMT 10
Stupid green agenda. Limit on nitrogen fertilizer usage <30%N. All this during an unprecedented global food shortage.. The left are now totally unhinged. Fishers are now supporting them as well www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/7/4/dutch-farmers-block-food-distribution-ports-overFarmers in the Netherlands have blockaded supermarket distribution centres in continuing protests against n ew environmental rules on nitrogen emissions that are likely to put many of them out of business. Fishers on Monday blocked ports in a show of support for farmers. The blockade prevented ferries from sailing to almost all the Wadden Islands off the country’s northern coast and caused lengthy delays, shipping companies reported. Its like these people who eat food and emit brain-farts as policy ideas ... have NFI how food is produced in modern quantities at modern prices. Synthetic Nitrogen Fert is bloody expensive ... Im confident that food growers aren't being too extravagant with its use. N use is directly correlated with crop yield in all food crops. 30% less N would mean a significant drop in food production.
The EU also has a bunch of Bollocks regulations that sees a fair proportion of food produced simply discarded as "not meeting spec". They put it in methane digesters without any thought to what it cost to produce it ... then feel happy about producing renewable gas. Better to put that non-spec produce on shelves at a lower price and have it eaten.
The epidemic of Stupid has now seemingly hit the point of Darwin Award level self-destruction.
So true. But all those brain farters feel no qualms about buying a new phone, tv, car or whatever to keep up with their peers. The wasteful production that goes in to keep the worker drones happy is crazy. Another thing to consider is that Aussie farmers are top tier farmers if not the best. While our practices are efficient and productive, many other nations are not and may be wasteful with ferts, chems etc. Many other nations are also subsidised and this leads to inefficiencies over fertilising etc. Many US farms (ones that i know of) don’t bother laser levelling and just blat blat their chems and ferts around and hope for rain We can’t afford to do that as we’d be priced out of the market.
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