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Post by bug on Mar 16, 2022 13:15:27 GMT 10
Very likely the CCP is helping Russia. For them, the chance at some very cheap resources and thumbing their nose at the west would be too hard to turn down. |
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Post by Beno on Mar 16, 2022 13:24:39 GMT 10
They'll (west) use this as an opportunity to deviver on their rhetoric and give China a bit of an uppercut if they help russia. China knows this. It's on the edge that's for sure. Wgat we don't need is an incident like what india did to pakistan last week. Oopsy i fired a missile towards you....
Hopefully there are no dodgy units in ukraine army that uses a captured mlrs to deliberately fire on nato. Adding misfits from around the globe in their foreign legion could cause issues in this regard.
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Post by bug on Mar 16, 2022 13:30:49 GMT 10
That may well be one of the reasons that NATO does not want to send jets to enforce a no fly zone. The possibility of a false flag shooting down would be very real.
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Post by milspec on Mar 16, 2022 15:45:15 GMT 10
Yup a bit of OJT for the Chinese troops. |
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Post by bushdoc2 on Mar 16, 2022 20:26:12 GMT 10
And given that China regards much of Far East Russia (eg. Vladivostok and area) as Chinese territory, what will Vlad do if (when) the Chinese move in. They already are: in many provincial towns, the illegal chinese population rises, but subtly, so the local cops do little.....back to the salami tactics.
Russia has huge oil/gas reserves, forests, a small-ish population, and lots of land (aka "lebensraum").
I think the dragon sees bear as a tasty main course.
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Post by bug on Mar 17, 2022 9:35:51 GMT 10
Australian Politicians of all brands have been wilfully immersed in this CCP BRI stuff right up to their chins! Daniel Andrews is hugely guilty of this. Even after the feds 'cancelled' the BRI deal, the exact same CCP companies got contracts anyway. In reality, the feds did nothing and are still funding China Construction Oceania to work on defence land. They are just as complicit as Andrews is. Edit: I'm talking about the North East Link tollway in Melbourne where the federal government is giving away defence land to a BRI contractor. There is a major defence signals facility within 50m of the project. |
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Post by ausprep130 on Mar 17, 2022 17:42:27 GMT 10
Australian Politicians of all brands have been wilfully immersed in this CCP BRI stuff right up to their chins! Daniel Andrews is hugely guilty of this. Even after the feds 'cancelled' the BRI deal, the exact same CCP companies got contracts anyway. In reality, the feds did nothing and are still funding China Construction Oceania to work on defence land. They are just as complicit as Andrews is. Edit: I'm talking about the North East Link tollway in Melbourne where the federal government is giving away defence land to a BRI contractor. There is a major defence signals facility within 50m of the project. I don't know why/how but I for some time I have had the impression that particular facility was in the process of being relocated and/or decommissioned. |
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Post by bug on Mar 17, 2022 18:09:47 GMT 10
I'm not aware of it happening, but you may be right. It's the 'cherry on top' in any case. Having BRI contractors on Defence land is not a good look.
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Post by Joey on Mar 17, 2022 19:07:55 GMT 10
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Post by dirtdiva on Mar 17, 2022 22:46:55 GMT 10
Starting to hear a bit more of verbal posturing against China on main stream media from the politicians over their supporting of Russia in this conflict in the Ukraine. |
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Post by norseman on Mar 25, 2022 11:41:18 GMT 10
I still believe China were going to be the "The Second Front", but have stepped back after witnessing the extreme level of sanctions being applied as much as the pseudo warfare now being carried out by the West.
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Post by Beno on Mar 25, 2022 15:09:37 GMT 10
I still believe China were going to be the "The Second Front", but have stepped back after witnessing the extreme level of sanctions being applied as much as the pseudo warfare now being carried out by the West. I think they still will be but not on their terms. Since Ukraine have shown they can fight off Russia the US can afford to turn full attention to China. If we [allies)get involved in an active war and China has not made massive concessions on their stance on the war then they will be brought into line one way or another. They won't be allowed to sit on the sidelines. Look at what the US did in 2 world wars. They sat much of it out then came in and helped win the war. The result was the change of an empire from one to the other as the Brits were done. |
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Post by Joey on Mar 25, 2022 18:04:41 GMT 10
WOW, I'm surprised to see Krudd speaking against China, he used to be so pro-China.
That Solomon Islands thing is blowing up all over faceache in the military groups I'm in and vet friends, especially those who served over there seeing it all fall down because the Chinese stayed there whispering in the ears of the government and handing them fistfuls of cash, whereas Aust just mostly walked away after things were settled down instead of keeping the money flowing into asset building
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Post by Stealth on Mar 25, 2022 19:05:01 GMT 10
I honestly don't know a whole lot about Kevin Rudd's background with China, although I imagine that back in the day most politicians were pro-China because of all the money that they brought in for the country. But I do know in the last few months I've seen comments from Rudd saying that he thinks we're being too soft in some areas when it comes to China. A bit of a 'this doesn't look good, lads' type comments.
I don't know if that's been a theme for him in the past but I have seen a few comments lately along those lines is all. Don't know if there's a personal agenda of course. I'd agree though, lots of noise about the Belt initiative and that we've basically let them walk right on into the region and set up camp. Well. We have, haven't we.
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Post by tactile on Mar 26, 2022 11:48:13 GMT 10
I honestly don't know a whole lot about Kevin Rudd's background with China, although I imagine that back in the day most politicians were pro-China because of all the money that they brought in for the country. But I do know in the last few months I've seen comments from Rudd saying that he thinks we're being too soft in some areas when it comes to China. A bit of a 'this doesn't look good, lads' type comments. I don't know if that's been a theme for him in the past but I have seen a few comments lately along those lines is all. Don't know if there's a personal agenda of course. I'd agree though, lots of noise about the Belt initiative and that we've basically let them walk right on into the region and set up camp. Well. We have, haven't we. "Rudd studied at the Australian National University in Canberra, where he resided at Burgmann College and graduated with Bachelor of Arts (Asian Studies) with First-Class Honours. He majored in Chinese language and Chinese history, and became proficient in Mandarin. His Chinese name is Lù Kèwén (simplified Chinese: 陆克文; traditional Chinese: 陸克文).[26] Rudd completed his BA in 1978, deferring his honours component for a year during which time he took a study trip to Taiwan. In 1980 he continued his Chinese studies at the Mandarin Training Center of National Taiwan Normal University in Taipei, Taiwan. " - Wikipedia
I find it interesting that in his diplomatic career he had no time on the ground in Asia. China wasn't going off in the 80s but there would of still been some interesting postings I would of thought. Would of given his studies a lot more credibility too...
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Post by Tim Horton on Mar 27, 2022 5:34:50 GMT 10
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Post by bug on Mar 27, 2022 8:47:17 GMT 10
WOW, I'm surprised to see Krudd speaking against China, he used to be so pro-China. That Solomon Islands thing is blowing up all over faceache in the military groups I'm in and vet friends, especially those who served over there seeing it all fall down because the Chinese stayed there whispering in the ears of the government and handing them fistfuls of cash, whereas Aust just mostly walked away after things were settled down instead of keeping the money flowing into asset building The PRC has changed greatly since Rudd was PM. Winnie the Pooh has turned it into a hyper-capitalist Orwellian dictatorship. Foreigners are leaving and Chinese are doing whatever they can to get foreign residency and get their money out of China. They have a massively over-inflated property sector which is showing signs of falling over. With money and people leaving the country, a non-replacement level birthrate, non-sufficient food production, any invasion of Taiwan would be catastrophic for them if Russia style sanctions occur. Their economy will fall apart. |
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Post by Joey on Mar 27, 2022 9:06:03 GMT 10
China has been trying for years to bribe the PNG government to let them develop a deep water "fishing town" aka naval supply yard right on Australia's northern doorstep. This Solomon islands development could allow them to set up a missile launching base that puts all over Australia within the range of their fleet of MRBM missiles as well as being able to them apply the same corruption to the desperately cash starved pacific island nations to bring them under their control as well. |
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