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Post by milspec on Sept 8, 2020 7:20:37 GMT 10
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Post by Joey on Sept 8, 2020 8:00:18 GMT 10
That and they are doubling their nuclear warhead stockpiles.
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Post by bug on Sept 8, 2020 8:12:51 GMT 10
As usual, the CCP is thinking long term whilst here in Australia we think it's a good idea to have our 'strategic reserve' of oil on the other side of the world.
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Post by norseman on Sept 8, 2020 8:35:21 GMT 10
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Post by milspec on Sept 8, 2020 9:22:43 GMT 10
... and in breaking news ABC just rushed out its last two journos out of China overnight. That's not normal.
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Post by SA Hunter on Sept 8, 2020 9:25:22 GMT 10
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Post by bug on Sept 8, 2020 11:08:08 GMT 10
Communists don't like a free press. Even the ABC isn't bolshy enough for them.
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Post by norseman on Sept 8, 2020 11:41:31 GMT 10
... and in breaking news ABC just rushed out its last two journos out of China overnight. That's not normal. Those blokes are just very lucky they weren't "disappeared" !
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Post by Joey on Sept 8, 2020 11:47:41 GMT 10
... and in breaking news ABC just rushed out its last two journos out of China overnight. That's not normal. Those blokes are just very lucky they weren't "disappeared" ! Sounds like they wern't far off it happening to the point they had to hide in the embassy for 2 weeks
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Post by norseman on Sept 8, 2020 11:51:45 GMT 10
Those blokes are just very lucky they weren't "disappeared" ! Sounds like they wern't far off it happening to the point they had to hide in the embassy for 2 weeks Joey Like all things in life timing is everything!
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Post by Joey on Sept 8, 2020 12:07:52 GMT 10
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Post by milspec on Sept 8, 2020 14:04:04 GMT 10
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Post by SA Hunter on Sept 8, 2020 15:06:17 GMT 10
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Post by Beno on Sept 8, 2020 16:42:16 GMT 10
Yep they are part of the Commonwealth, democratic, relatively peaceful and have some probably many common interests with Australia. Let’s see the back of the authoritarian commie dictatorship, we don’t need them and should never bend to them or anyone else.
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Post by bug on Sept 8, 2020 17:23:19 GMT 10
This is a very smart move by India. Economically they are where the CCP was in the 1980s. They have a big axe to grind against the CCP and aligning with two large trading partners who are both very wary of Beijing will go down well internally. Modhi can be seen as both standing up to the CCP and securing a lucrative trade deal. Japan has been very focussed on the Trans Pacific Partnership, which has taken a big hit with Trump's disinterest in it. They'll also be looking for another deal.
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Post by SA Hunter on Sept 8, 2020 23:07:33 GMT 10
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Post by illuminati on Sept 9, 2020 3:04:49 GMT 10
Communists don't like a free press. Even the ABC isn't bolshy enough for them. If only we’d stop arresting them as well and raiding whistleblowers and having secret courts. Our gov and news loves to bash China, but then our gov will do the same when it suits them and everyone just carries on like nothing happened who cares it didn’t effect me.
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Post by illuminati on Sept 9, 2020 4:05:45 GMT 10
I see America in a bad spot with China nipping at their heels, but China is also precarious. China may end up crushed like Japan was.
I see everyone abandoning China and turning against them. But countries are often vapid and will switch sides again when it suits them.
China has also been working towards being more internally focused as an economy, so they may be able to weather all the unfriending and ride it out over several years until countries change their minds on things. China has generally be very very good at long term strategy. It helps having a government that isn’t worried about winning the next election. They get shit done.
In the past they stole all the IP but now they are creating it. They had better 5G tech so the USA wanted it everyone to ban it.
Then TikTok was a craze so USA wants a USA company to acquire it. It’s terrible and it spy’s on you, you should delete it, until Microsoft owns it, and then you should carry on.
Their Belts & Roads initiate has done them well. They tried and true strategy. Australia is sooking about it and saying how evil it is, but it’s same thing other nations have done. We were up in arms to Fiji to not take China up, yet we had sold our port to China already.
Whilst west is banding together against China, China has been partnering with 99 countries.
I think Russia has also been very strategic, getting an agent in commander in chief, is probably even better than when they had an agent as the head of soviet affairs in MI6.
It’s all interesting to watch unfold.
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Post by milspec on Sept 9, 2020 7:14:51 GMT 10
I see America in a bad spot with China nipping at their heels, but China is also precarious. China may end up crushed like Japan was. I see everyone abandoning China and turning against them. But countries are often vapid and will switch sides again when it suits them. China has also been working towards being more internally focused as an economy, so they may be able to weather all the unfriending and ride it out over several years until countries change their minds on things. China has generally be very very good at long term strategy. It helps having a government that isn’t worried about winning the next election. They get shit done. In the past they stole all the IP but now they are creating it. They had better 5G tech so the USA wanted it everyone to ban it. Then TikTok was a craze so USA wants a USA company to acquire it. It’s terrible and it spy’s on you, you should delete it, until Microsoft owns it, and then you should carry on. Their Belts & Roads initiate has done them well. They tried and true strategy. Australia is sooking about it and saying how evil it is, but it’s same thing other nations have done. We were up in arms to Fiji to not take China up, yet we had sold our port to China already. Whilst west is banding together against China, China has been partnering with 99 countries. I think Russia has also been very strategic, getting an agent in commander in chief, is probably even better than when they had an agent as the head of soviet affairs in MI6. It’s all interesting to watch unfold. Countries are abandoning China because China is a legitimate military/secuirty & economic threat with a non transparent ruling body. It steals technology massively and spies extensively. So letting that nation carry your sensitive data on its govt subsidised 5G network would be lunacy. You see they can afford to do things on the cheap when they dont have to pay the time & $ for R&D For all the tech they steal. Microsoft apps & the like have to be compliant with US regulations Chinese apps like tiktik do not. The requirement to be compliant with US regs helps prevent illegal data harvesting. Hence the Chinese apps & 5G are able to serve as extensions to the Chinese govt surveillance/influence network. Its smart of the Chinese to make their surveillance apps and hardware socially, technologically and financially attractive. It enables them to establish a significant user base which enables the apps and hardware to be very effective at harvesting information & enabling offensive cyber activity. There is little basis for comparison with Aussie journos being arrested in connection with leaked classified documents and then processed within a fair judicial System and foreign journos being detained arbitrarily and processed in accordance with the whim of an authoritarian government pursuing its global economic objectives. As for BRI 'we' made the mistake of allowing state level decisions to get involved in BRI programs ANd now the federal govt is trying to undo those mistakes. As other nations have found out, BRI is evil and when they cant pay the debt they had to hand over parcels of their sovereign territory to China. how would you like it if you lived next door to a chunk of land which suddenly became Chinese sovereign territory because your government couldnt pay the bills?
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Post by norseman on Sept 9, 2020 8:34:38 GMT 10
Australian Politicians of all brands have been wilfully immersed in this CCP BRI stuff right up to their chins!
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