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Post by Tim Horton on Feb 25, 2021 3:52:33 GMT 10
With all the news about the unusual and tragic weather there has been in the US and especially Texas where there is not usually this kind of cold... Someone commented there seem no reports of looting or other like issues anywhere.. Being as Texas is as it is...... I wonder why y'all..... ?? ??
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Post by dirtdiva on Feb 25, 2021 4:27:12 GMT 10
Problem solved! Texas style
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Post by spinifex on Feb 25, 2021 7:48:58 GMT 10
I wonder how many people who tote signs like that ever shoot a looter?
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Post by bug on Feb 25, 2021 9:27:54 GMT 10
Probably didn't ever need to. Looting almost exclusively occurs in democrat states.
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Post by Tim Horton on Feb 25, 2021 11:09:48 GMT 10
Probably didn't ever need to. Looting almost exclusively occurs in democrat states. +++ Or large urban areas of --fill in the blank-- color states... That is where the large screen TV are concentrated after the door is broke in...
If I said this on most any North American forum I would be deleted in about 15 seconds likely.. Thank you for being you Oz Prep.. G'day....
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Post by bug on Feb 25, 2021 14:44:43 GMT 10
The US is an interesting place. Interesting enough to never want to live there. Party allegiances are split directly down racial lines, with blacks of all demographics voting democrat, and whites of most (but not all) demographics voting republican. That does not occur in Australia with any ethnic group large enough to matter, nor would we ever want it too. When race is brought up in Australia, it's generally by 'political racists' like the BLM people. It is uncommon for it to have any foothold with anyone above university student age. That's one part of American culture that they are welcome to keep to themselves.
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Post by Tim Horton on Feb 26, 2021 0:40:11 GMT 10
Or large urban areas of --fill in the blank-- color states... +++ My intent with this line was red or blue states, meaning democrat or republican.. Regardless of the racial make up of the states population..
To start.. I'm going to ask because I'm curious.. If I use a wrong term or use a term incorrectly it is because, again, I don't know..
It seems, in OZ, the black, aboriginal population is much better integrated in society. There will be places the percent of the local population will be higher or lower, but the people much more at ease with one another.. Something like BLM doesn't seem to have much of a following with anyone..
There can, will be bad actors in any and all groups.. But it seems less noticeable there, like said, unless incited by something like university or such. The working adult population is just that, regardless of heritage..
Educate me.. Thanks..
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Post by dirtdiva on Feb 26, 2021 1:58:24 GMT 10
The US is an interesting place. Interesting enough to never want to live there. Party allegiances are split directly down racial lines, with blacks of all demographics voting democrat, and whites of most (but not all) demographics voting republican. That does not occur in Australia with any ethnic group large enough to matter, nor would we ever want it too. When race is brought up in Australia, it's generally by 'political racists' like the BLM people. It is uncommon for it to have any foothold with anyone above university student age. That's one part of American culture that they are welcome to keep to themselves. Here is a perhaps more accurate portrayal of those demographics.
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Post by dirtdiva on Feb 26, 2021 4:55:32 GMT 10
I wonder how many people who tote signs like that ever shoot a looter? Very few! These are the armed people that can give owning firearms a bad name. JMHO Besides it's Texas. Ever heard the saying everything is bigger and better in Texas, Yeehaw. That can include stupidity.
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Post by dirtdiva on Feb 26, 2021 5:14:16 GMT 10
Probably didn't ever need to. Looting almost exclusively occurs in democrat states. In my personal experience looters probably do occur more often in larger cities and towns. But with that being said they are always plentiful after civil unrest, hurricanes, forest fires, tornadoes or any other disruption of society. There are always those willing to prey upon the misfortunes of others regardless of race, location or political affiliation. My husband spent literally years deployed as a national guardsman patrolling US communities after awful things happened arresting people willing to steal what little was left.
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Post by Stealth on Feb 26, 2021 6:14:57 GMT 10
It seems, in OZ, the black, aboriginal population is much better integrated in society. There will be places the percent of the local population will be higher or lower, but the people much more at ease with one another.. Something like BLM doesn't seem to have much of a following with anyone.. Sadly that's very untrue. Our indigenous population isn't integrated at all. There's a WHOLE thread in itself on the topic which I won't start here because I can guarantee what the reaction from the more conservative folks around here will be. BLM definitely has a following here, but it actually started long before BLM exploded on the scene. It focused (and continues to focus) on the amount of deaths of Indigenous Australians while they're in jail etc. and deaths that have occurred because of mistreatment etc. while under custody that would never had happened had the person been white. Again, that's a whole thread for another space, but that movement had been happening long before BLM started, it's just that the majority of Australians aren't affected by the issue so they didn't hear about it until BLM happened and the Australian version started gaining media attention. If you want to see a culture where indigenous culture and white culture's integration is done (very close to) right, look to New Zealand. The Maori people and white NZ are far better off than Aus and our Indigenous population. I'm actually a bit envious of how well they have adapted to each other's cultures and how much more respect between the two groups there is.
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Post by norseman on Feb 26, 2021 9:43:26 GMT 10
It seems, in OZ, the black, aboriginal population is much better integrated in society. There will be places the percent of the local population will be higher or lower, but the people much more at ease with one another.. Something like BLM doesn't seem to have much of a following with anyone.. Sadly that's very untrue. Our indigenous population isn't integrated at all. There's a WHOLE thread in itself on the topic which I won't start here because I can guarantee what the reaction from the more conservative folks around here will be. BLM definitely has a following here, but it actually started long before BLM exploded on the scene. It focused (and continues to focus) on the amount of deaths of Indigenous Australians while they're in jail etc. and deaths that have occurred because of mistreatment etc. while under custody that would never had happened had the person been white. Again, that's a whole thread for another space, but that movement had been happening long before BLM started, it's just that the majority of Australians aren't affected by the issue so they didn't hear about it until BLM happened and the Australian version started gaining media attention. If you want to see a culture where indigenous culture and white culture's integration is done (very close to) right, look to New Zealand. The Maori people and white NZ are far better off than Aus and our Indigenous population. I'm actually a bit envious of how well they have adapted to each other's cultures and how much more respect between the two groups there is. Spent years in NZ, big difference is your average Maori isn't burdened or pre-occupied with the perpetual "I'm a victim and they (whitey) needs to pay" mindset. Most Maoris attitude is "shit happens" get over it lets move on! The Maori are far more forward looking than the Aborigines in Australia! There are exceptions like anywhere naturally.
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Post by bug on Feb 26, 2021 14:43:22 GMT 10
There's no such thing as the 'Aboriginal community' in Oz now, besides a few remote communities who make up a tiny proportion of the broader 'aboriginal' population.
As being able to claim to be 'Aboriginal or Torres Strait Islander' makes you a first class citizen with a swag of advantages in education, employment, health services and welfare, there are a huge number of obviously white people who have found a distant relative and are claiming it. You can get yourself in legal trouble for calling out the people who do this. Andrew Bolt was a famous case for this.
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Post by Stealth on Feb 26, 2021 15:36:32 GMT 10
Spent years in NZ, big difference is your average Maori isn't burdened or pre-occupied with the perpetual "I'm a victim and they (whitey) needs to pay" mindset. Most Maoris attitude is "shit happens" get over it lets move on! The Maori are far more forward looking than the Aborigines in Australia! There are exceptions like anywhere naturally. I hate to say it but I agree that there seems to be a much bigger victim mentality here than there. I'm very sympathetic to Native issues here, I've known some really great indigenous folk but as you say... There are exceptions anywhere. But the Maori tendency to be able to deal with generational trauma rather than holding it hard to their chest is probably one of the things that has helped the most in that process. I can't really comment though. I don't have anything like the experiences that an Indigenous person might have in their life. But I do wish that we could have much more effective integration the way that NZ does. I would never want someone to 'just get over' their experiences but I'd like to see them gain strength from them and move forward instead of being bound down by them. There's that tree-huggin' 'one love' side of me again lmao!
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Post by grumble on Feb 27, 2021 8:11:24 GMT 10
Biggest thing i noticed in that picture apart from the boys with their toys was the lack of infrastructure maintenance The road is cracked and sunken The curbside grass needs mowing The power pole looks to be unsafe and needs to be replaced The amount of road debris that's evident but that could be from recent rain so i'll let them have that one
As for the looting side of things well crap people do crap things its pretty simple its a mentality based action where i live in a small town with 160k people the crime statistics are terrible the growth industry here is security for an example these are some of this years numbers and i mean from Jan 1 to now Feb 27 120 stolen cars 123 assaults 17 unlawful entry with violence -dwelling ( home invasion )
In 1 day there were 4 car jacking while its not a statistic that is easy to get as its put under the stolen car category it is a regular enough event so everyone knows now to keep their doors locked while driving around so now they just nail you while your putting your groceries in the car hence this has a lead to an increase in people doing their shopping online and getting it delivered.
In the last month I've had an attempted theft of my hilux in broad daylight at 09:30 in the morning My cameras picked up twice now people in my yard creeping around the house checking windows and doors at night and the other night while the wife and i were watching the last of a movie when i heard the screen door being tested to see if it was unlocked so i just set off the panic button on the wife's car and they fled from the property My neighbors on both sides have had their dogs poisoned 1 survived the other didn't
To put it into perspective where i used to live those numbers would be the yearly average for the whole state not just 2 months in one town and to be truthful we are seriously thinking of selling up and moving back because these crime numbers tell me its only a matter of time before my household joins the statistics and there is no escaping the crime where i live because its across every suburb as those elements that are joyfully committing the crimes know certain people have nice things so go terrorize and rob them instead of their own communities and the police are hamstrung because its not politically favorable
So basically its got nothing to do with what states and who people vote for its as simple as this
Entitled crap people with no fear of repercussions will do crap things because they can but you have to have the critical numbers of crap people to get things like looting to start so if you have a community of people with families who work and strive to have a better life no mater of race gender or creed they tend to contribute rather then take
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Post by bug on Feb 27, 2021 11:41:38 GMT 10
grumble, not sure if it's where you are from, but you just described Townsville. Right down to the first class citizens who are untouchable by the law.
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Post by bug on Feb 27, 2021 11:46:01 GMT 10
"if you have a community of people with families who work and strive to have a better life no mater of race gender or creed they tend to contribute rather then take."
That's what happened to Detroit. Once the manufacturing industry started to die, the working families moved out, leaving the parasites behind. With fewer and fewer contributors and plenty of sap suckers, the city went bankrupt.
Townsville would be a little different due to the large amount of defence force money coming into the town and the government money for the first class citizens, but gee, would not want to live there.
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Post by grumble on Feb 27, 2021 13:44:03 GMT 10
grumble, not sure if it's where you are from, but you just described Townsville. Right down to the first class citizens who are untouchable by the law. No i live up in Cairns and its the same issue Townsville has huge problems and that probaly explains why a city that has heaps of good paying work and everything you can still buy a house there for under 200k
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Post by bug on Feb 27, 2021 14:19:37 GMT 10
Partner wanted to move to Cairns a few years ago. I said no.
If you are young and single, it's fine. Not for us though.
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Post by norseman on Feb 27, 2021 15:09:16 GMT 10
grumble, not sure if it's where you are from, but you just described Townsville. Right down to the first class citizens who are untouchable by the law. No i live up in Cairns and its the same issue Townsville has huge problems and that probaly explains why a city that has heaps of good paying work and everything you can still buy a house there for under 200k I frequently transited through Cairns while contracted for a period in NG, New Britain etc they were the glory days back in the early / mid 90's when Cairns was inundated with tens of thousands of rich Japanese tourists. Globally Cairns was pretty much the go to destination for holidaying Nippons like holy shite the bloody buckets of sushi and Asahi I ate and drank on the backs of em I'll never forget! Now according to my BIL who lives there working on RAN Patrol Boats reckons it's the arse end of QLD only after Townsville and Gladstone.
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