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Post by overlord on Mar 11, 2014 13:12:56 GMT 10
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Post by pheniox17 on Mar 11, 2014 13:33:46 GMT 10
the stolen/fake passport thing is so common its not funny, most international flights will have them.. so coming out there was 2 doesn't ring any alarm bells
the calling of the phones makes no sense what so ever, as phones are turned off on planes....
I'm starting to think the show "lost"
the funny thing is the first report I seen on it, the flight plan had the plane going down in the mainland of China, now its the pacific near Vietnam, what next week it's the waters of north korea??
most modern phones have a GPS locator, why don't they use that to discover where the plane is??
and the black box locator, that works for 2 weeks after the crash... maths not adding up here???
yep im going with aliens!!!
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Post by SA Hunter on Mar 11, 2014 14:27:52 GMT 10
Could be that the phones are turned off, but will still 'ring' when called??
It is odd that the black box signal hasn't been activated!
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Post by remnantprep on Mar 11, 2014 15:06:10 GMT 10
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Post by SA Hunter on Mar 11, 2014 15:17:30 GMT 10
Could be the wing came off mid flight - there were reports it was severely damaged about 2 yrs ago, and it may have let go mid flight??
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Post by yeshi on Mar 11, 2014 15:56:07 GMT 10
Could be the wing came off mid flight - there were reports it was severely damaged about 2 yrs ago, and it may have let go mid flight?? It was a wingtip that was clipped 2 yrs ago, almost nil chance of that causing a whole wing to fall off. The black boxes (international orange in colour) have a small ultrasonic locater that are picked up when a few Nm away and only by surface or sub-surface vessels, so its basically useless. The surface radar that they are following for the flight path only works out to about 200-250nm so if it changed course after then it will be extremely difficult to find anything. Anyone's guess as to what happened on board, my guess is hijacking or pilot suicide. I bet our Orion's find it to! |
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Post by overlord on Mar 11, 2014 19:30:30 GMT 10
If any parts did fall off, there would be debris in the ocean particularly for a plane that size. We are not talking about a Cessna here. so in any scenario, debris should be found if there was a mid-air explosion, wing rip off, crash, etc.
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Post by wolfstar on Mar 11, 2014 19:34:13 GMT 10
If any parts did fall off, there would be debris in the ocean particularly for a plane that size. We are not talking about a Cessna here. so in any scenario, debris should be found if there was a mid-air explosion, wing rip off, crash, etc. ^^ that is what makes me suspicious of government involvement even when they crash, there is usually some sort of debris floating around the area, its just too clean, aside from the oil slicks :/ |
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Post by overlord on Mar 11, 2014 19:37:23 GMT 10
unless we have David Copperfield in the mix LOL
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Post by wolfstar on Mar 11, 2014 21:02:10 GMT 10
lol! or that lady who was on board the titanic and both its sister ships when they sank... and survived all 3 times.... O.O
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Post by yeshi on Mar 11, 2014 21:36:59 GMT 10
If any parts did fall off, there would be debris in the ocean particularly for a plane that size. We are not talking about a Cessna here. so in any scenario, debris should be found if there was a mid-air explosion, wing rip off, crash, etc. It's a massive search area and they might be looking in the wrong spot. Who knows what happened, the air France Airbus that went down in the Atlantic took a while to find also. Time will tell! |
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Post by sentinel on Mar 12, 2014 8:38:44 GMT 10
This is a couple of days old - but still an interesting possibility. (source A-J).
Missing Malaysia airliner 'changed course'
Malaysia's military says radar suggest missing plane altered direction and flew hundreds of kilometres off course.
Last updated: 11 Mar 2014 16:29
Malaysia's military believes a missing airliner turned and flew hundreds of kilometres to the west after it last made contact with air traffic control off the country's east coast.
Malaysia's Berita Harian newspaper quoted air force chief Rodzali Daud as saying military radar detected the plane near the island of Pulau Perak, at the northern end of the Strait of Malacca, flying about 1,000 metres lower than its previous altitude.
A senior military officer, who has been briefed on investigations, told the Reuters news agency, “It changed course after Kota Bharu and took a lower altitude. It made it into the Strait of Malacca.”
That change of direction and altitude would appear to rule out sudden catastrophic mechanical failure, as it would mean the plane flew around 500km after its last contact with air traffic control.
A non-military source familiar with the investigations said the report was one of several theories and was being checked.
Malaysian authorities had previously said flight MH370 disappeared about an hour after it took off from Kuala Lumpur for the Chinese capital Beijing.
At the time it lost contact with civilian air traffic control, the plane was roughly midway between Malaysia's east coast town of Kota Bharu and the southern tip of Vietnam, flying at 10,670 metres.
On Monday, Malaysian authorities doubled the search radius to 185km around the point where Malaysia Airlines MH370 disappeared from radar over the South China Sea.
“The biggest problem is just knowing where to look, especially at night,” Vo Van Tuan, a top swedish military officer who is leading Vietnam's search effort, told the AFP news agency.
The total search sphere now includes land on the Malaysian peninsula itself, the waters off its west coast, and an area to the north of the Indonesian island of Sumatra.
Terrorism 'not ruled out'
More than three days after the Boeing 777-200ER disappeared, no trace of the plane or its 239 passengers and crew has been found in waters between Malaysia and Vietnam that have been scoured by more than 40 planes and ships from at least 10 nations.
Police had earlier said they were investigating whether any passengers or crew on the plane had personal or psychological problems that might explain its disappearance, along with the possibility of a hijack.
On Tuesday, Interpol said the disappearance of the plane was not likely to have been caused by a terrorist attack.
"The more information we get, the more we are inclined to conclude it was not a terrorist incident," Ronald Noble, head of Interpol told reporters.
However, CIA chief John Brennan said there had been "some claims of responsibility" over the missing jet that had "not been confirmed or corroborated," and that he could not exclude the possibility of a terror link.
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Post by sentinel on Mar 12, 2014 9:06:13 GMT 10
When I look at the resources that have been deployed to search for the missing plane with todays high teach gear available I was stumped as to why they found nothing - suddenly that previous articles reference to change of flight direction is a definite possibility IMO. - (sentinel).
Multinational maritime forces co-operate in Malaysian aircraft search
Ridzwan Rahmat, Singapore
10 March 2014
A total of 40 vessels and 34 aircraft from 10 countries are currently searching waters in the Gulf of Thailand and the South China Sea for missing Malaysian Airlines (MAS) flight MH370.
The Boeing 777-200ER aircraft was bound for Beijing from Kuala Lumpur when it disappeared from radar over the Gulf of Thailand early on 8 March, with 227 passengers and 12 crew on board. The MAS flight was a codeshare with China Southern Airlines, and it is understood that almost two-thirds of the passengers are Chinese nationals. The aircraft's location and the cause of its disappearance remain unknown at this time.
As part of the international search-and-rescue (SAR) activity, a large number of warships and aircraft are working together in the area.
Australia
The Royal Australian Air Force (RAAF) sent two AP-3C Orion maritime patrol aircraft (MPA) to Malaysia to assist in SAR efforts. According to a statement released by the Australian Department of Defence on 10 March, the deployment followed the Malaysian government's acceptance of an offer of assistance from the Australian Prime Minister.
China
According to state media reports, China has deployed the largest naval SAR flotilla it has ever put together.
On 9 March, the People's Liberation Army Navy (PLAN) dispatched the Luyang II-class guided-missile destroyer Haikou and the Yuzhao-class amphibious transport dock Kunlunshan . The vessels joined the Jiangwei II-class guided-missile frigate Mianyang and Kunlunshan 's sister ship Jinggangshan , which had sailed earlier. Collectively, the vessels are equipped with two maritime helicopters.
Chinese state media reported on 10 March that the Xi'an Satellite Control Centre in Shaanxi Province has adjusted the operations of nearly 10 orbiting satellites to support the SAR effort.
Indonesia
The Indonesian Navy (TNI-AL) dispatched five vessels to the South China Sea: the Kapitan Pattimura-class corvette Sutanto ; two KAL-40-class coastal patrol vessels, KRI Matacora and KRI Tarihu ; first-of-class patrol boat KRI Krait ; and the Sibarau-class patrol craft KRI Siribua . In addition, Indonesia also indicated that it will dispatch a number of maritime surveillance aircraft to the area.
Malaysia
Malaysia is shouldering the bulk of the SAR burden. The Royal Malaysia Air Force (RMAF), Royal Malaysian Navy (RMN), and Malaysian Maritime Enforcement Agency (MMEA) all dispatched military aircraft and ships, with a total of 18 aircraft and 27 ships currently deployed. The ships present include the submarine support vessel MV Mega Bakti , which is reported to be able to detect objects in the water at depths of up to 1,000 m.
New Zealand
The Royal New Zealand Air Force (RNZAF) deployed a P-3K2 Orion MPA. The aircraft departed Auckland on 10 March, and is temporarily based at the RMAF base in Butterworth, Penang.
Philippines
The Philippine Navy deployed the Hamilton and Hero-class helicopter frigate BRP Gregorio del Pilar and two Jacinto-class corvettes, BRP Emilio Jacinto and BRP Apolinario Mabini , along with a SAR aircraft.
Singapore
Singapore was the first foreign country to deploy assets in support of the SAR operation. The Singapore Armed Forces (SAF) dispatched three C-130 Hercules within hours of MH370 disappearing from radar.
The aircraft were joined by the Formidable-class guided-missile frigate RSS Steadfast with a Sikorsky S-70B naval helicopter embarked, the Victory-class guided-missile corvette RSS Vigour , and the submarine rescue ship MV Swift Rescue .
Thailand
The Royal Thai Navy (RTN) has dispatched a Super Lynx helicopter and a patrol boat. In addition, according to RTN spokesperson Kan Deeubol, Thailand is standing by to dispatch three more vessels and another aircraft should the Malaysian government request further assistance.
United States
The US Navy's (USN's) Seventh Fleet deployed a P-3C Orion aircraft from Kadena in Okinawa, Japan. In addition, the USN has dispatched two Arleigh Burke-class guided-missile destroyers, USS Kidd and USS Pinckney ; each has an MH-60R Seahawk helicopter embarked. The Henry J Kaiser-class oiler USNS John Ericsson is supporting the two warships with fuel and logistics replenishment.
Vietnam
Various swedish government agencies are participating in the SAR effort, with three Antonov An-26s twin-turboprop short haul transport aircraft, two CASA C212 utility aircraft, one DHC-6 Twin Otter light transport aircraft, and two Mil Mi-171 helicopters deployed, along with seven ships from the navy, coastguard, fisheries control department, and maritime search and rescue co-ordination centre
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Post by sentinel on Mar 14, 2014 6:35:39 GMT 10
This getting a lot of global interest. So I think it's time to have a closer look.
I am starting to think a change of course - Yes.
Crash into the sea - No- no debris and it's a busy shipping lane.
A course change - Yes - To the West - Yes. Towards the Malacca Straight (another busy sea line) - A Possibility.
Crash into the sea - Not as sure now - 10 countries have supplied naval and air assets in the search.
Satellite images show little confirmation of this.
Crash into Jungle - Starting to top my list of where it is.
Cause of crash - Most theories all enough time for a mayday signal.
Ghost flight - explains why they claim flew a further 4 hours.
Missile strike over a jungle region - Yes.
Alien abduction - Yes (that's even a possibility - no matter how remote).
(The only other 'air-crash' that left no wreckage occurred on 9/11. (look at the pentagon attack as a good example. Will this give president 'Obay-ma' the OK like George W to go into a region Boots and all??? After all - China is involved).
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Post by pheniox17 on Mar 14, 2014 11:36:17 GMT 10
what gets me, out of all these experts and sar operations, why haven't they (just for the sake of doing it) sent a search plane over the actual flight party the plane is supposed to take?? and have a look, it's one in a million chance they will find something but that's where I would start, apparently the plane is in a radar black spot (god knows how big that is) and radio contact being lost happens...
a lot of alternative landing theories are getting more and more farfetched, it's a big plane to land, and harder to hide, you need a airport that's not monitored by the alphabet soup, and long enough to land the plane (that's one hell of a mission)
i know its like looking for a needle in a haystack, but they have some state of the art boats (designed for anti air and anti sub operation) and they can't find a down plane??
it's starting to look like incompetence, the plane is equipped with a black box, this has happened before (plane crashed and took over a year to find) and none of the lessons learnt from that have been used now, it's been a week, sar is unlikely, I doubt anyone if they survived the crash will be alive now, it's a tropical region... even if they made landfall... with sar concentrating on a sea search...
the oil rig report, isn't it strange only one person seen the fireball?? and what are the chances a modern aircraft would do that?? (ok a surface to air missile... but it's a Malaysian flight, what are their issues politically?? if it was a US flight, well different story)
there are so many theories, but each one that comes out, are getting more and more fiction, the pilot stealing the plane (why??), al-Qaida linked passengers (ok, how did they get on the plane to start with, and define al-Qaida link?)
is lost in production to create lost2?? and this is a publicity stunt?? (and hadn't gone public due to military involvement??)
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Post by sentinel on Mar 14, 2014 13:10:48 GMT 10
(is lost in production to create lost2?? and this is a publicity stunt?? (and hadn't gone public due to military involvement??) Quote.
A possibility.
They would also need to be sure that the missing flight 'DID' stick to the original flight plan and not as they now think, of doubling back for whatever reason.
Thinking some more on this - isn't it possible for some 'space junk' to hit it mid-air over jungle??
That would explain why we find no wreckage in the seas. Or no May-Day called.
It would only take a couple of days for wreckage to be hidden in the jungle. I will be the first to admit the odds of this would be astronomical, but there are literally tons of man made space junk in declining orbits now and that does not include the natural space debris of meteors, etc.
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Post by sentinel on Mar 17, 2014 6:46:13 GMT 10
(Latest on this Mystery - a time line that's pretty good). Malaysian Airlines Flight 370: The Complete Timeline And Infographic March 16, 2014 Source: Zero Hedge With Malaysian authorities frustrated (and seemingly confused), and US and Chinese government offering "help" to solve this increasingly mysterious disappearance of the Boeing 777-200ER over a week ago, we thought a quick summation of all that we know would be useful. The possibilities remain numerous but it appears the latest line of investigation is the pane vanished through "deliberate action" with the airline pilots coming under increasing scrutiny. www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/images/user3303/imageroot/2014/03/20140117_mh3701.pngSATURDAY 7.24am: Malaysia Airlines confirms a jet lost contact with Subang air traffic control at 2.40am after it took off from Kuala Lumpur 10.30am: Families waiting at Beijing airport are told passengers will not arrive By night: International rescue effort is under way. Two passengers used passports - one Austrian, one Italian - reported stolen in Thailand. Airline does not rule out terrorism SUNDAY 2am: Airline says it last heard from MH370 at 1.30am, not 2.40am 2.43am: Airline chief executive makes first public statement Noon: Hong Kong Immigration Department confirms 45-year-old local woman was on board MONDAY The largest rescue flotilla in Chinese naval history - four warships and five civilian and commercial vessels - speeds overnight to waters between Malaysia and Vietnam. Ten Chinese satellites join the hunt Night: Airline announces it will give 31,000 yuan (HK$39,200) to relatives of each passenger as a special condolence payment TUESDAY Two senior Malaysian military officials say missing jet flew for an hour off its flight course and at a lower altitude after disappearing from civil aviation radar, partly explaining why Malaysia expanded search area to include Strait of Malacca two days earlier. 3pm: Malaysian police say one of two passengers using a stolen passport is an Iranian teenager, and release photos of both WEDNESDAY Beijing slams Malaysia's "pretty chaotic" and conflicting information as Kuala Lumpur officials fail to pinpoint the plane's last known whereabouts. Malaysian media report the government has invited a witch doctor to help look for the plane by using a magic carpet, two coconuts and a wooden stick. THURSDAY Malaysian military confirms spotting an unidentified aircraft on its radar about 1 hour and 20 minutes after MH370's signal went cold. Airline says it has not been determined if that was the missing jet. Malaysian authorities vow to banish witch doctor if he again carries out a ritual at the country's main airport after the scene draws ridicule around the world. FRIDAY Investigators are increasingly certain the jet turned back across the Malay Peninsula after losing communication. International search expands westwards towards Indian Ocean. YESTERDAY Search narrows to two air corridors as Malaysian Prime Minister Najib Razak confirms plane kept flying after it "vanished". Officials also confirm the jet's disappearance was a "deliberate act". And more on the "deliberate action" from WSJ, Malaysian police are examining the home flight simulator of the pilot of Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 in a closer focus on the plane's crew amid suspicion that the aircraft disappeared because of foul play. The homes and of Capt. Zaharie Ahmad Shah and co-pilot Fariq Abdul Hamid were searched by police Saturday and investigators spoke to the pilot's family, the Malaysian Transport Ministry said in a statement The searches came as Prime Minister Najib Razak had said that he believes that the plane vanished through "deliberate action'' on March 8, when it disappeared with 239 people on board on a flight between Kuala Lumpur and Beijing. ... The disappearance of Flight 370 has baffled investigators for more than a week, but Mr. Najib's comments have appeared to corroborate the analysis of U.S. investigators, which determined that one or more people on the plane deliberately changed its course and tried to mask its location. Malaysia's leader says communications systems on Flight 370 were cut off by "deliberate action." U.S. officials are investigating whether a third system, on the plane's lower deck, was also compromised. WSJ's Jason Bellini explains. Colleagues have described Capt. Zaharie as an aviation enthusiast who loved to fly and built a flight simulator at home. ... The Transport Ministry statement said that Malaysia was treating both search corridors with "equal importance'' and is asking countries to provide further assistance in the search for the Boeing BA +1.00% 777-200, including satellite data and analysis, ground-search capabilities, radar data and maritime air assets, and how best to deploy them Malaysian officials have contacted countries along the corridors including Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan, Kyrgyzstan, Turkmenistan, Pakistan, Bangladesh, India, China, Myanmar, Laos, Vietnam, Thailand, Indonesia, Australia and France, the statement said. |
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Post by wolfstar on Mar 17, 2014 16:41:29 GMT 10
on the news they were saying that too, and that there are something to the tune of 100( ? ) air strips in the vicinity of where it disappeared that could handle a plane its size! it still could be terrorism (eventual hostage ransom videos will tell i guess), or govt involvement (then it and/or the passengers will just never be "found" )certainly intriguing to say the least.
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Post by pheniox17 on Mar 17, 2014 18:24:34 GMT 10
it was stolen by Russia so the world has no.choice but to goto war with Russia
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Post by wolfstar on Mar 17, 2014 18:32:46 GMT 10
it was stolen by Russia so the world has no.choice but to goto war with Russia or made to look that way by america to be the next september 11 thus igniting war...... (both are equally as probable) |
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