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Post by myrrph on Mar 20, 2014 17:38:23 GMT 10
heard there is this theory that china might have done it to test the radar capability of the countries in the region.
with the spratley islands and all that nonsense, they need a feel of who can do what.
interesting conspiracy theory.
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Post by yeshi on Mar 22, 2014 6:38:51 GMT 10
From a news.com.au article apparently from the Malaysian transport minister.
"He will also ask the US about sending re-fuelling ships so that seach planes can refuel at sea rather than fly the fours there and back to the search zone."
An AP-3C carrier landing hey... Now I'd love to see that!!
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Post by overlord on Mar 22, 2014 14:40:17 GMT 10
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Post by myrrph on Mar 24, 2014 10:49:56 GMT 10
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Post by Ausprep on Mar 24, 2014 19:39:53 GMT 10
This just gets more and more interesting..Quite a weird one if you ask me?
So many "errors" by the Malaysian gov't coming to surface as the days get on..
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Post by myrrph on Mar 24, 2014 20:00:24 GMT 10
still think that its a ploy to find out the satellite cap of the neighbouring countries and other western powers.
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Post by wolfstar on Mar 24, 2014 20:04:36 GMT 10
could well be for all we know.
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Post by pheniox17 on Mar 25, 2014 1:39:14 GMT 10
they have declared the plane is in the Indian ocean, all passengers are listed as deceased...
sad, but that's all that's known
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Post by wolfstar on Mar 25, 2014 12:09:14 GMT 10
so thats confirmed? ok, now to figure out what the hell happened (apart from crashing into the ocean, lol)
so sad for their families, but we all knew that it wasnt looking good. even if they were taken hostage, chances of all surviving was slim.
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Post by yeshi on Mar 25, 2014 21:53:40 GMT 10
they have declared the plane is in the Indian ocean, all passengers are listed as deceased... sad, but that's all that's known Probable but not confirmed, the Malaysians were so incompetent in the whole investigation I'm not listening to anything they say anymore!! Wait until they have a confirmed piece of wreckage with a serial number linked to the aircraft then it's confirmed. Time is ticking by for the locator beacon, less than 2 weeks battery life left! |
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Post by Ausprep on Mar 29, 2014 9:07:54 GMT 10
I just cant comprehend the way this situation went down and more so (of late) how it has been handled.
We can find it so we'll just agree to disagree that its somewhere in the Indian ocean and all passengers are gone..
Wow..
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Post by myrrph on Mar 29, 2014 17:37:15 GMT 10
there is another conspiracy theory that one of the pilots is a supporter of an opposition party fella who was jailed recently.
He'd hijacked the plane and wanted the M'sian gov to release him in exchange for the passengers. Then they'd been shot down and they didn't dare report it.
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Post by shinester on Apr 1, 2014 0:35:19 GMT 10
Perhaps the plane de-pressurised or had a faulty environmental system, and everyone including the pilots fell unconscious due to altitude [was unusually at 47,000ft] and then eventually succumbed, which would explain the small amount of data they had suggesting the plane flew for a long time after the pilots were reporting in.
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Post by sentinel on Apr 3, 2014 12:48:52 GMT 10
Reported in an O/Seas media.
I don't know if this Kevin Barrett is after his 15 minutes of fame again or not - but I did wonder that if that flight did make it into our southern ocean then how come we didn't pick up on it, as we have some pretty high tech gear watching the surrounds of Australian borders and even well past that as far as I am aware. Not all of it is stationary either.
CIA knows what happened to Malaysia plane: Analyst
Tue Apr 1, 2014 10:45AM GMT
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The CIA base in Australia knows what happened to the Malaysia Airlines passenger plane, says a prominent analyst.
“The CIA base in Alice Springs, Australia, knows precisely what happened to that plane,” said Kevin Barrett in a Press TV interview on Monday, pointing to the base’s access to military radar and satellite coverage in the area.
He also stated that it would be impossible for radar systems in the region not to have picked up the whereabouts of the missing plane.
“It cannot have just disappeared. This makes no sense.”
Barrett said it only takes “a second or two” to squawk an emergency code “so there is no way that a plane is going to start having problems that are going to lead to a crash and it is not going to squawk that code.”
The American writer added that "the plane turned and flew in a westerly direction and must have been under some kind of control and “yet there was no emergency code, there was no hijack code, nothing like that.”
“This is very, very strange,” Barrett said.
He also dismissed official suggestions that the plane had crashed during its flight, reasoning that “passengers’ cell phones were ringing out days after the plane disappeared, meaning that they were not under water and they were powered on.”
The commentator speculated that the plane’s disappearance was a sort of a 9/11 conspiracy.
“We have so many parallels between this event and 9/11… So a lot of people are speculating that there was a 9/11-style plan and it may not have gone right,” he said.
MFB/HSN/SL
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Post by krisb on Apr 4, 2014 10:45:33 GMT 10
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Post by remnantprep on Apr 4, 2014 12:22:56 GMT 10
Not so sure on this one! Have been reading comments. |
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Post by yeshi on Apr 5, 2014 22:57:28 GMT 10
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Post by sentinel on Apr 6, 2014 9:16:00 GMT 10
In a response to an email I received this morning - (makes me wonder how it exactly 'disappeared??') I found this:- www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-03-12/malaysian-air-said-to-opt-out-of-boeing-plan-to-share-jets-data.htmlMalaysian Air Said to Opt Out of Boeing Jet-Data Service By Julie Johnsson and Mary Schlangenstein Mar 13, 2014 5:13 AM GMT+1000 March 12 (Bloomberg) -- Air patrols are resuming for a fifth day in the hunt for Flight 370 as searchers in planes and ships prowl waters on both sides of Peninsular Malaysia after failing to find debris along the missing jet’s route. Haslinda Amin reports on Bloomberg Television's "First Up." (Source: Bloomberg) Malaysian Airline System Bhd. (MAS) opted out of a Boeing Co. (BA) service to collect real-time performance data from jets like Flight 370 for use in planning maintenance, according to a person familiar with the matter. The carrier harvests the same information itself, said the person, who asked not to be identified because Flight 370 is under investigation. The search for the missing Boeing 777-200 entered a fifth day today, leaving investigators baffled as to what was happening on board the plane when radar contact was lost less than an hour into a March 8 flight to Beijing. Related: •Malaysia Failing to Manage Crisis Exposes Leadership Limit •Missing Jetliner Befuddles World That’s Online 24/7 •Frustration Mounts as Families Huddle for News of Missing Plane •Stolen Passport User Had No Links to Terror Groups •Opinion: Missing Plane Has Chinese Flying Scared Having Boeing’s Airplane Health Management program potentially would have provided a backup to the airline’s own surveillance of the plane, said David Greenberg, a former operations executive at Delta Air Lines Inc. (DAL) Boeing pulls in that information to mine data and help airlines spot mechanical faults early, giving carriers a new window on their operations. “It’s like having a cellphone right next to your desk next to your landline,” Greenberg, who is now a Chicago-based consultant, said in a telephone interview. Onboard computers track performance of pivotal airplane systems and send the information to airlines through a messaging technology known as the Aircraft Communications Addressing and Reporting System, or Acars. Boeing taps the same computer data via satellite links for subscribers to its service. 777 Service About 75 percent of Boeing 777s, the planemaker’s biggest twin-engine model, use the maintenance and monitoring program, according to a 2013 company presentation. Airlines get “a set of predefined prognostic monitors and alerts that trigger prior to system failures,” covering components as varied as the engines and air conditioning, according to a Boeing fact sheet for its maintenance program. A spokesman for Malaysian Air referred questions about the in-flight communications system to a company statement, in which the carrier said all contact was lost with Flight 370 as it approached swedish airspace. The airline didn’t immediately respond when asked about the Boeing program. “All Malaysia Airlines aircraft are equipped with continuous data monitoring system called the Aircraft Communications Addressing and Reporting System (ACARS) which transmits data automatically,” the carrier said. “Nevertheless, there were no distress calls and no information was relayed.” Wilson Chow, a spokesman for Chicago-based Boeing, declined to comment about Malaysian Air in a phone interview. Engine Data The carrier does have a data-sharing agreement with engine maker Rolls-Royce Holdings Plc (RR/) for its wide-body fleet. New Scientist magazine reported, without saying where it got the information, that the missing 777 sent two bursts of data before contact was lost. “We continue to monitor the situation and provide our full support to Malaysia Airlines,” said Richard Hedges, a spokesman for London-based Rolls-Royce. He declined to elaborate. Airborne communiques from planes to engine-makers are routine for jetliners, Greenberg said. In the Boeing program, airplanes typically transmit data from onboard systems and engines to the planemaker and carriers’ ground operations, allowing mechanics to have parts at the ready to deal with break-downs that occur during flight. The planemaker also prepares alerts and reports on “important maintenance-related events.” Services such as Boeing’s “are not designed to be inflight advisory systems,” said R. John Hansman, professor of aeronautics and astronautics at Massachusetts Institute of Technology. “They are really designed to be post-flight maintenance systems.” To contact the reporters on this story: Julie Johnsson in Chicago at jjohnsson@bloomberg.net; Mary Schlangenstein in Dallas at maryc.s@bloomberg.net To contact the editors responsible for this story: Ed Dufner at edufner@bloomberg.net Ed Dufner, Frank Longid |
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Post by sentinel on Apr 6, 2014 9:17:53 GMT 10
And here is a copy of that email and my comment is below;
I received this today - I don't know how correct all this is as the only claim I can make to flying is for a few brief seconds (that seemed to be an eternity and after hitting what seemed the only air-pocket on the flight to Canberra over the Brindabella Ranges which resulted in several past lives flashing before my eyes amidst me screaming to the pilot - 'I didn't do it - take it back') so if anyone knows of any incorrect information in this please say so. - sentinel.
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From a retired AF colonel, now a pilot for AA, flying the Boeing 777.
All,
Just a quick update with what I know about the Malaysia 777 disappearance. The Boeing 777 is the airplane that I fly. It is a great, safe airplane to fly. It has, for the most part, triple redundancy in most of its systems, so if one complete system breaks (not just parts of a system), there are usually 2 more to carry the load. It’s also designed to be easy to employ so 3rd world pilots can successfully fly it. Sometimes, even that doesn’t work…as the Asiana guys in San Fran showed us. A perfectly good airplane on a beautiful, sunny day…and they were able to crash it. It took some doing, but they were able to defeat a bunch of safety systems and get it to where the airplane would not help them and the pilots were too stupid/scared/unskilled/tired to save themselves
There’s many ways to fly the 777 and there are safety layers and redundancies built into the airplane. It is tough to screw up and the airplane will alert you in many ways (noises, alarms, bells and whistles, plus feed back thru the control yoke and rudder pedals and throttles. In some cases the airplane’s throttles ‘come alive’ if you are going to slow for a sustained period of time) All designed to help. But, it’s also non-intrusive. If you fly the airplane in the parameters it was designed for, you will never know these other things exist. The computers actually ‘help’ you and the designers made it for the way pilots think and react. Very Nice.
Now to Malaysia. There are so many communication systems on the airplane. 3 VHF radios. 2 SatCom systems. 2 HF radio systems. Plus Transpoders and active, ‘real time’ monitoring through CPDLC (Controller to Pilot Data Link Clearance) and ADS B(Air Data Service) through the SatCom systems and ACARS (Aircraft Communications Addressing and Reporting System) thru the VHF, HF and SatCom systems. The air traffic controllers can tell where we are, speed, altitude, etc as well as what our computers and flight guidance system has set into our control panels. Big Brother for sure! However, most of these things can be turned off.
But, there are a few systems that can’t be turned off and one, as reported by the WSJ, is the engine monitoring systems (not sure what the acronym for that is, but I’m sure there is one….it’s aviation…there has to be an acronym!). The Malaysia airplane, like our 777-200’s, use Rolls Royce Trent Engines (as a piece of trivia….Rolls Royce names their motors after rivers….because they always keep on running!) Rolls Royce leases these motors to us and they monitor them all the time they are running. In fact, a few years back, one of our 777’s developed a slow oil leak due and partial equipment failure. It wasn’t bad enough to set off the airplane’s alerting system, but RR was looking at it on their computers. They are in England, they contact our dispatch in Texas, Dispatch sends a message to the crew via SatCom in the North Pacific, telling them that RR wants them to closely monitor oil pressure and temp on the left engine. Also, during the descent, don’t retard the throttle to idle…keep it at or above a certain rpm. Additionally, they wanted the crew to turn on the engine ‘anti ice’ system as the heats some of the engine components.
The crew did all of that and landed uneventfully, but after landing and during the taxi in, the left engine shut itself down using it’s redundant, computerized operating system that has a logic tree that will not allow it to be shut down if the airplane is in the air…only on the ground. Pretty good tech. Anyway, the point was, that RR monitors those engines 100% of the time they are operating. The WSJ reported that RR indicated the engines on the Malaysia 777 were running normally for 4 to 5 hours after the reported disappearance. Malaysia denies this. We shall see.
Parting shot. If you travel by air, avoid the 3rd world airlines. Their operators and maintenance are substandard. Substandard when traveling by Bus or Boat isn’t so bad when the engines quit. You just stop on the water or by the side of the road. Not so in airplanes. My piece of advice….if traveling by air use 1st world airlines. So, that leaves USA, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, most of Europe, Japan and just a few others. Avoid the rest….just my opinion. If you get a real deal on air fare from ‘Air Jabooti’…skip it. Oh, there are a lot of the ‘developing’ countries that use expatriate pilots from the 1st world. Emirates and Air Jordan come to mind and are very safe. As is Cathay Pacific. Air Pakistan and Egypt Air…not so much. Do the research or just drop me a note. I’ll give you my opinion.
And don't EVER get in an Airbus!!
That is all!
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Post by Ausprep on Apr 8, 2014 20:34:46 GMT 10
Still no closer to finding these poor buggers. I will say, after watching the news tonight. I was impressed with this.  |
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