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Post by pheniox17 on Mar 17, 2014 19:25:34 GMT 10
if I was to make a real bet on this
the plane crashed in southern China, near a mountain range
the theory behind it, China has a real nasty typography, and is covered in cloud a lot of the time, the electrics in the plane failed (very very easy to create a electrical failure on a aircraft, incorrectly wired item sending a false positive through a neg line will create havoc on the systems)
the plane attempts radio contact (as per procedure) and no reply
all digital instruments malfunction
they go to line of sight flying wile trouble shooting the issue
they go through all procedures to solve issue
it's a electrical issue, so no mayday worth worrying about.. just solve the problem, as been a night time flight, with emergency lighting, minimal alarm.bells are raised by passengers
with night flying and no instruments the pilots guess their altitude, relying on the captions better judgement
CRASH!!! mountain comes out of nowhere
the end investigation, a critical check was missed out of simple human error, the pilot spent too many hours in his home made flight sim that altered his perception of reality (au navy pilots have sim time restrictions due to this issue) and it was nothing more than a tragic accident
the plane will be "discovered" by a Chinese air force exercise when ever the next one is in the area
the sar efforts will show incompetence of organizers
the mystery fireball is a optical illusion from the gas platform
the mystery radar track is nothing more than a civilian light aircraft, that turns out to be a CIA drug plane (had to throw some fiction, more likely a military fighter plane doing a night training mission due to increasing tensions in the area)
have I missed anything??
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Post by wolfstar on Mar 17, 2014 19:51:48 GMT 10
aw how sweet that you have complete faith that there were no sinister forces playing a part  |
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Post by pheniox17 on Mar 17, 2014 23:22:09 GMT 10
well I stumbled on a awesome joke on the topic Has anyone asked Katie Price's gynaecologist if he's seen that missing plane? but some new theories that will give you a giggle no chemtrails have made the news (a flight to China, maybe those chem tanks exploded) aliens... fireball in sky, it was a space ship stealing radar scientists to help the Klingon empire defeat the romulans  the Iranians were part of the "gay pride" and through massive influence of god, through the mormans god sent "fury" like he did to Zion as a warning to the world the Malaysians have been slowly turning their backs on Allah and through his might the plane blew itself up so it can meet 99 vergin airplanes (when all it had to do is take a trip to Australia) the new search in Australian waters, the Malaysian flight seen a magazine about vergin aircraft operated from Australia and wanted to get married |
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Post by yeshi on Mar 18, 2014 9:25:28 GMT 10
Pheniox, I guarantee that if they had any primary navigation system fail they would still be able to fly perfectly well. They have multiple nav and attitude reference sources available and even if all power went out you still have battery powered standby instruments. Most pilots have iPads loaded with nav apps also!
This plane was crashed on purpose by someone who knew a bit about aircraft.
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Post by pheniox17 on Mar 18, 2014 12:46:15 GMT 10
yeshi, it was a 1am flight, through a low vis area, try night flying over some of the most remote, dark, cloudy areas in the world, you won't last long, yes they have back ups upon backups but, how long will unmaintained battery back ups last??
this is a topic that the truth will come out... but when??
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Post by wolfstar on Mar 18, 2014 13:07:46 GMT 10
not just battery back up Pheniox, they usually also have a small turbine that can descend to allow them to power the control systems in emergencies. you need to start watching air cras investigation- not my choice of entertainment, but my bf loves it, i like the technical aspects though, lol)
not to mention the amount of training the pilots go through to be able to fly when most of their systems and computer assistance goes cactus on them would surprise you.
even if they were flying through the cloud etc, and crashed, it doesnt explain why they went off radar or why comms went down. there are something like 50 air strips in that area that could handle a plane its size. if it had crashed, they would find forest scars, or other damage (which is what they look for). there are so many things wrong with this that it reeks of malice, though from whom i would love to know.
my best guesses would be one of the governments (possibly US- to fuel tensions and start ww3?) or a terrorist group whom would ransom the passengers at a later date, and possibly use the plane for purposes i hate to consider.
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Post by pheniox17 on Mar 18, 2014 13:37:59 GMT 10
yea I already watch the show, and you would know this isn't the first time a plane has crashed into a mountain due to equipment failure, and with cost cutting do you really think backup systems are that well maintained???
yes there are many theories, but this search also feels like its done with public opinion, and out of those 50 air strips, how many have a hanger large enough to hide a Boeing 777 aircraft??
every day a new theory is produced... because some "expert" says oh a mystery track on a military radar, has to be that missing plane...
and another expert says, oh he must have wanted to take the plane to Australia
then another expert says, no way it could have crashed, no way...
it's my uneducated opinion on the matter, as "cool" the conspiracy sounds, sometimes the most logical answer is the most likely...
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Post by yeshi on Mar 18, 2014 14:10:17 GMT 10
yeshi, it was a 1am flight, through a low vis area, try night flying over some of the most remote, dark, cloudy areas in the world, you won't last long, yes they have back ups upon backups but, how long will unmaintained battery back ups last?? this is a topic that the truth will come out... but when?? It was at the top of accent IIRC and night time flying doesn't really matter on a 777 that long after take off, it would be on autopilot with little input from the crew. Or do you mean total cockpit black out? They would of had between 30-60mins of battery power for standby instruments. Now that is only if both your engines, APU and ram air turbine are all not working. I'm still convinced it was crashed with all systems working. |
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Post by yeshi on Mar 18, 2014 14:12:53 GMT 10
Oh and it is one of the most intriguing aviation stories!!  |
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Post by yeshi on Mar 18, 2014 16:05:20 GMT 10
Haha the forum filter doesn't like the alternative name for a flight station!
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Post by wolfstar on Mar 18, 2014 16:45:10 GMT 10
Haha the forum filter doesn't like the alternative name for a flight station! yeah it also doesnt like ho-mogenise either  (the hyphen is there just to try to avoid the filter, lol) |
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Post by overlord on Mar 18, 2014 18:25:27 GMT 10
Welcome to the Twilight Zone....
But seriously, the latest statement from the FAA stated that to turn off ACARS would require intimate knowledge of the plane and access to those restricted areas. Even if the comms and others are turned off, the ACARS has no switch in the cockpit. It doesn't even have a switch. It has a breaker panel in the inner recesses of the plane.
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Post by yeshi on Mar 18, 2014 19:01:57 GMT 10
Welcome to the Twilight Zone.... But seriously, the latest statement from the FAA stated that to turn off ACARS would require intimate knowledge of the plane and access to those restricted areas. Even if the comms and others are turned off, the ACARS has no switch in the @#$%pit. It doesn't even have a switch. It has a breaker panel in the inner recesses of the plane. Definitely. Not knowing the systems of a 777 but going by knowledge of other aircraft and systems I can tell you this, the flight crew have FULL access to all the systems and most of the time all of the circuit breakers are in the flight station, or are electronic circuit breakers operated by the computers. If they have a problem or a electrical fire of any system or major component they need quick access to isolate it immediately. It gets weirder every few hours, they are saying the pilot had a lot of airfields in a flight plan around SW indo and Indian Ocean in his sim at home. |
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Post by overlord on Mar 19, 2014 16:33:52 GMT 10
Welcome to the Twilight Zone.... But seriously, the latest statement from the FAA stated that to turn off ACARS would require intimate knowledge of the plane and access to those restricted areas. Even if the comms and others are turned off, the ACARS has no switch in the @#$%pit. It doesn't even have a switch. It has a breaker panel in the inner recesses of the plane. Definitely. Not knowing the systems of a 777 but going by knowledge of other aircraft and systems I can tell you this, the flight crew have FULL access to all the systems and most of the time all of the circuit breakers are in the flight station, or are electronic circuit breakers operated by the computers. If they have a problem or a electrical fire of any system or major component they need quick access to isolate it immediately. It gets weirder every few hours, they are saying the pilot had a lot of airfields in a flight plan around SW indo and Indian Ocean in his sim at home. I didn't notice that the pilot's area had the letters charlie-oscar-charlie-kilo which was edited. yeshi, even automated signalling? based on the descriptions given in the US News stated that the panel is in the electronics system in the inner recesses of the plane and is not directly accessible unless you were an avionics engineer. Not all pilots would be aware of these special equipment. |
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Post by pheniox17 on Mar 19, 2014 17:13:08 GMT 10
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Post by Ausprep on Mar 19, 2014 18:02:13 GMT 10
yeah, i have no idea on this one.
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Post by yeshi on Mar 19, 2014 20:54:56 GMT 10
Definitely. Not knowing the systems of a 777 but going by knowledge of other aircraft and systems I can tell you this, the flight crew have FULL access to all the systems and most of the time all of the circuit breakers are in the flight station, or are electronic circuit breakers operated by the computers. If they have a problem or a electrical fire of any system or major component they need quick access to isolate it immediately. It gets weirder every few hours, they are saying the pilot had a lot of airfields in a flight plan around SW indo and Indian Ocean in his sim at home. I didn't notice that the pilot's area had the letters charlie-oscar-charlie-kilo which was edited. yeshi, even automated signalling? based on the descriptions given in the US News stated that the panel is in the electronics system in the inner recesses of the plane and is not directly accessible unless you were an avionics engineer. Not all pilots would be aware of these special equipment. Even automated signaling. Like the article quoted by pheonix, during a fire or failure they need to be able to isolate all systems. While they might not be able to access the panel, the CB's would be in the flight station under the appropriate bus. The pilots would have a knowledge of all systems on there aircraft, you would be no good in an emergency if you weren't 100% on your aircraft. That article is an excellent theory, might be some big regulation changes come in after this!! |
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Post by pheniox17 on Mar 19, 2014 21:32:31 GMT 10
i hope the biggest change is to black box design, the government can track every move you make with just your mobile phone, how they can't find a black box is just beyond me
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Post by yeshi on Mar 20, 2014 7:42:11 GMT 10
i hope the biggest change is to black box design, the government can track every move you make with just your mobile phone, how they can't find a black box is just beyond me That's a tough one, the problem is that the locator beacons have VHF/UHF emergency transmissions which are excellent on land and can be picked up fairly easily but underwater they are next to useless. Only very low frequencies travel any great distance underwater, which is why the are also fitted with low power ultrasonic 'pingers' but like I said before they have a small range, battery life and require you to know the rough area to look. Best bet is to have real time GPS tracking, THEN the problem is that it must be able to be isolated by the crew in case of emergency and we come to same problem we have now where if someone wants to disappear they just disable it!!! Makes your head spin!! |
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Post by pheniox17 on Mar 20, 2014 13:30:44 GMT 10
with today's technology, I bet it wouldn't take much to equip a independent track system more advanced than what they use after a crash
the GPS locator sounds good, but we are in the same issue underwater
why not use a little older submarine technology and equip the box with a ultrasonic ping system....
every modern military ship is equipped with sonar systems and are used in sar operations (including the latest generation of warship the arleigh burke class destroyer)
I understand during air France they didn't recommend it, too costly, but today I bet its a low cost upgrade to find missing planes
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(the hyphen is there just to try to avoid the filter, lol)
