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Post by frostbite on Mar 2, 2022 13:12:59 GMT 10
A couple of years ago US artillery killed about 200 Russian infantry in Syria, but WW3 didn't start because the Russians were 'employed by the (Wagner)? Group.
Same deal could happen in Ukraine. Highly trained Western military fighting Russians but paid by a front company
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Post by norseman on Mar 2, 2022 13:34:25 GMT 10
A couple of years ago US artillery killed about 200 Russian infantry in Syria, but WW3 didn't start because the Russians were 'employed by the (Wagner)? Group. Same deal could happen in Ukraine. Highly trained Western military fighting Russians but paid by a front company Yes that Wagner Group outfit were handed their arses that day, bad call as they were totally outgunned! |
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Post by malewithatail on Mar 2, 2022 15:31:13 GMT 10
Riho Terras, a former defense chief in Estonia and member of the European Parliament, claimed in a Twitter thread posted Saturday that Putin has grown increasingly frustrated with a lack of progress on the ground, saying the Russian leader expected far less resistance than his troops have met.
“Putin is furious, he thought that the whole war would be easy and everything would be done in 1-4 days. Russians didn’t have a tactical plan. The war costs about $20 bln/day. There are rockets for 3-4 days at most, they use them sparingly. They lack weapons, the Tula and 2 Rotenberg plants can’t physically fulfil [sp] the orders for weapons. Rifles and ammo are the most they can do,”
Life can be only understood backwards, but must be lived forwards.
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Post by frostbite on Mar 2, 2022 16:38:54 GMT 10
It would have been cheaper for Putin to buy the Ukrainian government. Not as cheap as the Chinese paid for the Australian government though.
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Post by Stealth on Mar 2, 2022 17:08:50 GMT 10
I get the feeling that was the problem. He DID pay to buy the Ukrainian government. The Ukrainian people said "Nah enough of that" and gave the position to someone who'd literally played the Ukrainian President ON TV. Turned out to be the best politician the world has seen for quite some time.
Then all of a sudden they couldn't buy the government anymore and that's when it went to custard.
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Post by spatial on Mar 2, 2022 17:47:47 GMT 10
Riho Terras, a former defense chief in Estonia and member of the European Parliament, claimed in a Twitter thread posted Saturday that Putin has grown increasingly frustrated with a lack of progress on the ground, saying the Russian leader expected far less resistance than his troops have met. “Putin is furious, he thought that the whole war would be easy and everything would be done in 1-4 days. Russians didn’t have a tactical plan. The war costs about $20 bln/day. There are rockets for 3-4 days at most, they use them sparingly. They lack weapons, the Tula and 2 Rotenberg plants can’t physically fulfil [sp] the orders for weapons. Rifles and ammo are the most they can do,” Life can be only understood backwards, but must be lived forwards. Yea, that is what I have been saying, the Russian 24h program failed, and are stuck between a rock and a hard place. Plenty of deadly military aid going to Ukraine. Every tank they destroy one less for NATO to deal with. Russian markets closed for 3 days, rown 75% in foreign trades. Great short vid showing what countries are donating to Ukraine. |
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Post by Beno on Mar 4, 2022 14:09:27 GMT 10
Looks like the russians are keen on nuclear facilities including chernobyl. I get functioning plants but why chernobyl? Will these fires and the like in these locations mask nuclear signatures from moving nukes or even using them?
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Post by spatial on Mar 4, 2022 21:14:34 GMT 10
Looks like the russians are keen on nuclear facilities including chernobyl. I get functioning plants but why chernobyl? Will these fires and the like in these locations mask nuclear signatures from moving nukes or even using them? The attack on Europe's largest nuclear reactor and setting it on fire caused financial markets to bomb. Not sure what Russians are doing taking power and critical infrastructure is always a war target. Russian casualties are starting to mount. Number of troop carrying helicopters shot down and top Russian general taken out by Ukrainian sniper. Western training of the Ukrainians are making a real difference. Russia will take Ukraine. So much difficulties taking Ukraine how will they take the rest of Europe. |
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Post by bug on Mar 5, 2022 11:14:37 GMT 10
This is what happens when you believe your own propaganda. Putin never really accepted the end of the USSR and seems to think that the Russian speakers in Ukraine would support him or at least not resist the invasion.
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Post by frostbite on Mar 5, 2022 12:05:35 GMT 10
I think Putin had been played very well by the West. They suckered him into invading a 'peaceful' country, made him look like the bad guy so that most of the world would join the sanctions brigade, they armed Ukraine with modern man portable missiles, and are in the process of severely degrading Russia's economy and military, with only moderate economic and no military impact on themselves.
I reckon the West won't stop until Russia is no longer on a position to invade anybody.
And a nice warning to China in the process.
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Post by bushdoc2 on Mar 5, 2022 13:19:32 GMT 10
FB, agreeed, but would have made more sense to keep Russia on side (with its arsenal and gas/oil and people) against rising China (with its arsenal and 1.4B mouths to feed).
Meanwhile, I am reliably informed that Russia has blocked access to Facebook...informant says it's like back in USSR days, when trusted friends huddled around a radio to listen to Western news.
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Post by Beno on Mar 5, 2022 17:34:33 GMT 10
I know several people from the UK. They are peaking. They are all scared of nuclear war and those that can are relocating to scotland and wales.
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Post by spinifex on Mar 5, 2022 19:01:24 GMT 10
Looks like the russians are keen on nuclear facilities including chernobyl. I get functioning plants but why chernobyl? Will these fires and the like in these locations mask nuclear signatures from moving nukes or even using them? Chernobyl is full of radioactive stuff that terrorists/insurgents would LOVE to use in a dirty bomb in a russian city. All Ukraines plants have this stuff laying around for the taking. I'd be making the capture of all nuclear facilities a top priority. |
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Post by spinifex on Mar 5, 2022 19:39:10 GMT 10
Putin is holding back, he is showing a lot of restraint right now! If he wants to steamroller the place he can do it easily. Don't believe all the bullshit you're hearing on MSM half of it hugely inaccurate and or invented to suit their narrative. Completely disagree, in war the faster you advance the better. Putin had a 24h program to take the capital but failed, now sits with problems. The Germans, Dutch British, and US now taking in antiaircraft stinger missiles and anti-tank. The longer it goes on the more difficult for the Russians to make headway. The French just captured a Russian cargo ship in the English channel. I would be very surprised if British special forces were not operating in Ukraine. French police seize Russian cargo ship in English Channelwww.cityam.com/french-police-seize-russian-cargo-ship-in-english-channel/The local defence is been hardened in the cities. Plenty of vids of Ukrainian's making Molotov Cocktails. Every day delay is more prob for the Russians. It doesn't pay to go in hard to achieve speed of advance in a country where the occupier wants to minimize the creation of Partisan combatants. I think the Russian plan is unravelling though ... what they thought was a populace that would accept them rather than risk having their countries cities and towns reduced to rubble fields ... is not so lazy and accepting after all. So ... now they'll have to win the hard way ... and that creates huge numbers of enemy resistors who will bleed any occupation force. This whole invasion thing is Not a great plan by Vlad ... but he's got no way out where his personal honour stays intact. Reminds me of LBJ and the Vietnam War. |
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Post by norseman on Mar 6, 2022 8:40:39 GMT 10
Putin will just keep ratcheting up until he wins or he dies. That bloke doesn't understand the concept of backing down and this is his final poker game he knew it from before the cards were dealt while many others didn't! We forget it's all or nothing for Putin and it was always going to be like this. The Kremlin is as much his prison as it is his palace, if he steps outside of it's protection it's the Gulag or the coffin!
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Post by bug on Mar 6, 2022 10:10:04 GMT 10
Spinifex, that's pretty accurate. The US made that mistake in gulf war 2. They advanced too fast so there wasn't a transfer of power. The criminals and islamists stepped in pretty quickly to fill that gap.
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Post by norseman on Mar 6, 2022 13:21:55 GMT 10
If Putin decides to go full retard there won't be much Ukranian resistance!
This just popped up on Sky News:-
Vladimir Putin has “miscalculated” the Ukrainian people's “will to fight,” author and Russian-born US intelligence expert Rebekah Koffler says as she breaks down the president’s “masterplan”.
“With Putin being a former KGB officer, this is an intelligence failure,” she told Sky News Australia.
“But, overall, he did not miscalculate in terms of the west response.
“He has been studying, and his military and his intelligence services, they have been studying the way that the west, the US and NATO, conduct wars.
“He feels very, very confident that he is going to achieve his strategic goals which is the reversal of the outcome of the Cold War.”
Ms Koffler said the Russian president’s next step would be to resubjugate “every single post-Soviet state beyond Ukraine” and pointed to Moldova, Belarus, Georgia.
“Only the Baltics are safe at this point by virtue of them being NATO members,” she said.
“This is his end game, and these are his next steps.”
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Post by bug on Mar 6, 2022 14:25:13 GMT 10
I really wonder if NATO really would attack Russia if it went after the baltics. This isn't a loudmouth CCP, it's Russia on its last role of the dice. Hitler in 1942, except this time he's got nukes.
The west did nothing about the last Russian invasion f the baltics, nor their invasion of Poland.
Would a few former soviet states really be worth risking WWIII inclusive of a nuclear attack on western europe and north america? That question would be running through NATO heads right now.
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Post by norseman on Mar 7, 2022 5:38:45 GMT 10
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Post by Beno on Mar 7, 2022 17:45:17 GMT 10
How long before the west creates its own false flag event to get in on the action?
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