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Post by spatial on Feb 14, 2022 21:21:30 GMT 10
Not looking good. EU energy crisis, oil price headed for $100 barrel now at $94. It is going to accelerate to hyperinflation over the next few month, and create a food shortage.
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Post by bushdoc2 on Feb 15, 2022 20:06:40 GMT 10
Yep, and with much of Europe heavily dependent of Vlad's cheap oil/gas, who's going to stand up to him?
Even worse if just heading into winter.
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Post by SA Hunter on Feb 15, 2022 21:50:34 GMT 10
If true, then the military exercises are winding down.
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Post by bug on Feb 16, 2022 9:25:57 GMT 10
Putin would be loving this. All he has to do is run some military excersizes and the world panics.
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Post by frostbite on Feb 16, 2022 10:24:48 GMT 10
Biden might be mentally incompetent, but the hand up his ar$e isn't. Russia throws a tantrum over Ukraine getting cosy with NATO, Biden uses it to distract the American people from their issues at home and to line the pockets of his military complex mates with more gold.
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Post by Beno on Feb 16, 2022 11:02:02 GMT 10
Any ADF or military buffs here?
My question is would a shooting war actually succeed? It seems armies have all the gear but how many days of shooting consumables to they have to wage a war? Look at the production and logistics of ww1 and 2 and see the huge quantity of consumables needed to keep it going. I just can’t see a super power shooting war going on for long before ammo and rockets run out. We are not shooting at goat herders this time.
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Post by frostbite on Feb 16, 2022 11:16:49 GMT 10
My guess is Russia would take significant territory early but then get bogged down in a war of attrition in the cities. They would lose a lot of tanks and aircraft to US supplied Ukrainian missiles.
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Post by bug on Feb 16, 2022 11:59:03 GMT 10
Any ADF or military buffs here? My question is would a shooting war actually succeed? It seems armies have all the gear but how many days of shooting consumables to they have to wage a war? Look at the production and logistics of ww1 and 2 and see the huge quantity of consumables needed to keep it going. I just can’t see a super power shooting war going on for long before ammo and rockets run out. We are not shooting at goat herders this time. Russia is a big manufacturer and exporter of military equipment, so they should have no worries at all feeding their guns. They aren't a paper tiger either, having participated in so many invasions (officially or otherwise) recently, like the Crimea, Easten Ukraine and Georgia. Add Chechnya to that list too. Without knowing fully the situation fully, I'd say it's far more likely that Ukraine would suffer from a prolonged conflict, noting that they have not been able to defeat the insurgents in the two breakaway areas. |
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Post by frostbite on Feb 16, 2022 12:32:46 GMT 10
The US would strangle Russia's economy with sanctions, whilst resupplying Ukraine with lots of nice weapon systems. The Russians have plenty of experience having their butts handed to them, by the muj in Afghan and Chechnya and by the US in Syria. They got absolutely slaughtered by US artillery in Syria, 200 dead from memory, even the Turks shot one of their jet fighters down.
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Post by tactile on Feb 16, 2022 13:09:26 GMT 10
The US/NATO would eat them in a conventional conflict...Putin knows it.
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Post by Beno on Feb 16, 2022 14:26:04 GMT 10
Well considering we can only just keep up with the supply of poo tickets, i think maintaining hellfire missile supply would create massive challenges.
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Post by tactile on Feb 16, 2022 14:46:21 GMT 10
Civilian Consumer supply chain aint the same as the military.
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Post by bug on Feb 16, 2022 14:52:06 GMT 10
What often happens is that companies that make those things are paid to retain capacity to quickly ramp up production if required. For the first time in a long time, right now no NATO nation is in a shooting fight with anyone else. Their stockpiles will be full.
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Post by bce1 on Feb 16, 2022 15:08:31 GMT 10
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Post by spatial on Feb 16, 2022 15:38:21 GMT 10
Canadian Prepper recons there is no de-escalation!! What can we learn from Sun Tzu’s Art of War? www.bakadesuyo.com/2011/05/what-can-we-learn-from-sun-tzus-art-of-war/#:~:text=%E2%80%9CAll%20warfare%20is%20based%20on,baits%20to%20entice%20the%20enemy. “All warfare is based on deception.”
Hence, when able to attack, we must seem unable; when using our forces, we must seem inactive; when we are near, we must make the enemy believe we are far away; when far away, we must make him believe we are near. Hold out baits to entice the enemy. Feign disorder, and crush him. Attack him where he is unprepared, appear where you are not expected. |
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Post by spatial on Feb 16, 2022 15:42:48 GMT 10
The US would strangle Russia's economy with sanctions, whilst resupplying Ukraine with lots of nice weapon systems. The Russians have plenty of experience having their butts handed to them, by the muj in Afghan and Chechnya and by the US in Syria. They got absolutely slaughtered by US artillery in Syria, 200 dead from memory, even the Turks shot one of their jet fighters down. US is already strangulating the Russian economy due to sanctions from the passenger plane they shot down, and annexure of Crimea. US is trying all trick to prevent further gas pipelines to Europe. Russians don't have much to loose, then China will take Taiwan in the Chaos and too many issue for NATO to deal with. Waiting for the economy to collapse due to hyperinflation then all hell breaks loose. |
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Post by frostbite on Feb 16, 2022 15:42:50 GMT 10
<button disabled="" class="c-attachment-insert--linked o-btn--sm">Attachment Deleted</button> For FB and Norseman Thanks, but my son sent me that several hours ago. He said he doesn't have a problem if his new mummy is younger than he is. He's a good boy. |
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Post by Stealth on Feb 16, 2022 18:17:37 GMT 10
Thanks, but my son sent me that several hours ago. He said he doesn't have a problem if his new mummy is younger than he is. He's a good boy. Look, if I have chocolate in the cupboard my kids will steal it the second my back's turned. Just sayin. 🤣 |
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Post by frostbite on Feb 16, 2022 18:51:26 GMT 10
Thanks, but my son sent me that several hours ago. He said he doesn't have a problem if his new mummy is younger than he is. He's a good boy. Look, if I have chocolate in the cupboard my kids will steal it the second my back's turned. Just sayin. 🤣 My son's partner is a former jillaroo, spent a lot of time on remote stations, castrated more than a few steers. If he tried stealing my 'chocolate' he wouldn't last long. |
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Post by grumble on Feb 16, 2022 18:57:34 GMT 10
The greatest mistake a nations leadership can do is underestimate their foes capability and overestimate their own capabilities
While i try to avoid topics and conversations such as this i have to say one thing
Alot of the past failures and defeats of Russia are not failures of the modern Russia that is moving its pawns around the global arena today
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