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Post by Beno on Feb 24, 2022 16:05:59 GMT 10
Finally,something other than MAFS or reruns of Third Rock from The Sun to watch on the telly. China might just invade Taiwan, were making serous threats yesterday.. Time for major Popcorn stockpiling it is going to be a long drama.   Not sure if we’ll be eating popcorn if China makes a move. After all the rhetoric from our government we’d be one of the first countries called upon to bolster the regions security to stop further expansion. |
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Post by frostbite on Feb 24, 2022 16:21:44 GMT 10
Unless you're in the ADF, business as usual. All the empty pandemic shelves were a nice trial run for the lack of everything if China blocks our sea lanes.
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Post by bug on Feb 24, 2022 17:13:05 GMT 10
Can someone knowledgable on the topic explain why Australian mining stocks (except for gold miners) have dropped, when Russia is a competitor to them?
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Post by tactile on Feb 24, 2022 17:20:11 GMT 10
I wouldn't say I'm knowledgeable but...you're expecting investors to be logical...first mistake! When the threat of a correction comes, speculative & day/retail traders are the first to get spooked and a rush ensues to get out. Others move into safer commodities.
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Post by spatial on Feb 24, 2022 19:20:24 GMT 10
Can someone knowledgable on the topic explain why Australian mining stocks (except for gold miners) have dropped, when Russia is a competitor to them? Global economy shrinks so does commodities. About 40% of the stock market is borrowed money I.e margin debt, creates panic selling and everything gets sold, try to cover losses. Russian stock index down +45٪..
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Post by tactile on Feb 24, 2022 20:45:48 GMT 10
Gold is going up...one thing Russia has plenty of. They have been buying tons of it in the last few years, as has China.
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Post by grumble on Feb 24, 2022 21:00:43 GMT 10
Gold is going up...one thing Russia has plenty of. They have been buying tons of it in the last few years, as has China. Gold and Silver have been historical safe havens to secure your money in times of market uncertainty or conflict so it makes sense that shares in companies that produce silver or gold would go up in value as investors and speculators look for a 'safer" place to invest in as they sell off shares in other commodity producers and other suddenly undesirable markets |
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Post by grumble on Feb 24, 2022 21:06:20 GMT 10
I cant help but laugh at the tragedy of some of the comments going around on forums where young guys cant wait to show the Russians who's boss.
Perhaps they should be reminded that you may not end up a war hero but just a small detail in someone else's war stories about the time they lost members of their squad
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Post by iceage on Feb 24, 2022 23:04:26 GMT 10
I cant help but laugh at the tragedy of some of the comments going around on forums where young guys cant wait to show the Russians who's boss. Perhaps they should be reminded that you may not end up a war hero but just a small detail in someone else's war stories about the time they lost members of their squad Young and dumb, they just want to fight and kill like they have been trained to do. As the old proverb goes, "live by the sword die by the sword". |
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Post by frostbite on Feb 25, 2022 4:17:33 GMT 10
I have seen first hand the jockeying that goes on to secure a spot in a unit that is about to be deployed. Even the girls (my daughter included) bust a gut to try to get some combat experience.
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Post by bug on Feb 25, 2022 9:10:43 GMT 10
The only people who want to fight in a war are those who don't have fathers and grandfathers telling them what a terrible idea that is.
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Post by Beno on Feb 25, 2022 10:38:29 GMT 10
And if this war expands we won’t be shooting goat herders and farmers with long range high tech advantage, we’d be lucky to get ships and aircraft to the region without large losses let alone to the battlefront. Totally different scenarios. Anyone jockeying for this war is a nobjockey.
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Post by frostbite on Feb 25, 2022 11:11:35 GMT 10
And if this war expands we won’t be shooting goat herders and farmers with long range high tech advantage, we’d be lucky to get ships and aircraft to the region without large losses let alone to the battlefront. Totally different scenarios. Anyone jockeying for this war is a nobjockey. You have no concept of what happened in Afghan. There is no long range high tech advantage when you're ambushed in a village. |
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Post by spatial on Feb 25, 2022 12:48:17 GMT 10
Casualties are mounting, Russia has had some setbacks... www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10549353/Ukraine-RETAKEN-Kyiv-airport-Russian-special-forces-claims-defense-minister.htmlUkraine has RETAKEN Kyiv airport from Russian special forces, claims defense minister, as President Zelensky says up to 60,000 troops are currently on Ukrainian soil and orders a FULL mobilization of all troops Antonov Airport, 20 miles north of Kyiv in the town of Hostomel, was being patrolled by Russian airborne troops on Thursday The airport is seen as a vital asset for Moscow to bring more troops and military equipment into the capital While a CNN team was at the airport, they saw Ukrainian servicemen trying to push the Russians back from the site On Thursday evening, the Ukrainian government said that they had retaken the airport and repelled the elite Russian troops Ukraine's National Guard posted a photo to social media of three soldiers holding a bullet-riddled Ukrainian flag, and said they were heroes of the battle Volodymyr Zelensky, the Ukrainian president, on Thursday night barred all men aged 18-60 from leaving the country, and a full mobilization of troops
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Post by Beno on Feb 25, 2022 13:07:55 GMT 10
And if this war expands we won’t be shooting goat herders and farmers with long range high tech advantage, we’d be lucky to get ships and aircraft to the region without large losses let alone to the battlefront. Totally different scenarios. Anyone jockeying for this war is a nobjockey. You have no concept of what happened in Afghan. There is no long range high tech advantage when you're ambushed in a village. Yeah like a totally dominated airspace facilitating company sized lifts at the drop of a hat to take out individuals found using state of the art intel, hard cash and equipment. Air support able to pretty much do whatever they want without sweet FA chance of being knocked out. top of the range equipment like comms, weapons, body armour and amazing medical support is not an advantage?an ambush is an ambush, look at the result of those. |
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Post by tactile on Feb 25, 2022 13:15:54 GMT 10
If the reports are true Ukraine defense is putting up a good show...looks bad for the Russians.
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Post by frostbite on Feb 25, 2022 14:14:44 GMT 10
You have no concept of what happened in Afghan. There is no long range high tech advantage when you're ambushed in a village. Yeah like a totally dominated airspace facilitating company sized lifts at the drop of a hat to take out individuals found using state of the art intel, hard cash and equipment. Air support able to pretty much do whatever they want without sweet FA chance of being knocked out. top of the range equipment like comms, weapons, body armour and amazing medical support is not an advantage?an ambush is an ambush, look at the result of those. Read the ROE. I'll give you one example: joint US/ADF/ANA patrol ambushed on 3 sides, pinned down, taking casualties. Dutch Apache gunship overhead unable to engage because the ROE forbid the pilot to unless he was under direct fire. All that high tech air support is useless when a politician on the other side of the planet determines when you can use it. Even an armchair expert understands this concept. |
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Post by milspec on Feb 25, 2022 14:32:22 GMT 10
And if this war expands we won’t be shooting goat herders and farmers with long range high tech advantage, we’d be lucky to get ships and aircraft to the region without large losses let alone to the battlefront. Totally different scenarios. Anyone jockeying for this war is a nobjockey. Correct, what most armchair pundits don't understand is that during recent wars that they have been exposed to the west has operated largely with impunity due to rapidly achieving air superiority ... easily done when the opposing force lacks an integrated Air Defence System. That is not the case with Russia, or China (or Iran). If we have to fight in contested airspace the public will be shocked by the unfamiliar news of frequent downed aircraft, burning tanks, casualties from the air and ground forces, Western POWs etc. Similarly sunken warships and loss of life at sea. When we have air superiority we enjoy a great deal of stand off kinetic intervention & surveillance and when we don't have air superiority we suffer a great deal. |
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Post by frostbite on Feb 25, 2022 14:49:17 GMT 10
And if this war expands we won’t be shooting goat herders and farmers with long range high tech advantage, we’d be lucky to get ships and aircraft to the region without large losses let alone to the battlefront. Totally different scenarios. Anyone jockeying for this war is a nobjockey. Correct, what most armchair pundits don't understand is that during recent wars that they have been exposed to the west has operated largely with impunity due to rapidly achieving air superiority ... easily done when the opposing force lacks an integrated Air Defence System. That is not the case with Russia, or China (or Iran). If we have to fight in contested airspace the public will be shocked by the unfamiliar news of frequent downed aircraft, burning tanks, casualties from the air and ground forces, Western POWs etc. Similarly sunken warships and loss of life at sea. When we have air superiority we enjoy a great deal of stand off kinetic intervention & surveillance and when we don't have air superiority we suffer a great deal. Isnt that air superiority being eroded by the proliferation of state of the art manpads and other, larger surface to air missile systems? |
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Post by Jackosaur on Feb 25, 2022 15:05:39 GMT 10
If the reports are true Ukraine defense is putting up a good show...looks bad for the Russians. Don't know what you've seen, looks like Ukraine are getting steam rolled from everything everyone else is seeing. |
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