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Post by bce1 on Apr 13, 2023 9:06:54 GMT 10
Every single medicine ever made has side effects and causes adverse events.
Every single one.
Most are minor, some are deadly.
In Aust hundreds+ die from medicines every year - some allergic reactions, some very specific drug complications.
The COVID vaccines are no less or more safe than most vaccines, in fact the published evidence suggests they are at the safer end of the spectrum. Serious ADR rates seem to be about 1:100000-250,000 which is good.
The issue is you have given it, multiple times to 20 million people in Aust and billions world wide. So in Australia alone there will be 100-200 plus people who have come to significantly harm, not counting the minor less severe ones which number in the thousands. These make the media and everyone in the pub will know. And if it happens to your family it is devastating. I have a good friend who had autoimmune pancreatitis from the vaccine and it has devastated her life.
You can argue about if they do what they are supposed to do - prevent and minimise severity and hence the risk vs benefit but you cannot say it’s killing or maiming people out of proportion to other similar drugs or vaccines. COVID continues to kill people at 5x the rate of seasonal flu, but the numbers are small. It is and has always been a risk / benefit analysis to your personal situation - I am 53 and overweight I’ve had it. My 12 and 16 y/o haven’t. The problem is most people are shit at those, as demonstrated by the number of people who but lotto tickets.
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Post by malewithatail on Apr 13, 2023 9:11:12 GMT 10
I am a victim of the MMR shots of the 50's. And I can prove it. For years, I hated a baby photo my Mum had of me, taken at about 6 months. I never knew why, but just hated it. The photo before was OK, and those after were also odd, but not as bad as the 6 months one. I repeatedly asked her to destroy that photo, and now I know why. You can see the Autism in my face. What happened between the two photos ? I got the MMR jab. I didn't know it was Autism, until quite recently, but suffered from teasing and bullying in school, along with my darker skin and big snoz, that Ive since found out was because my grandparents were part aborigine. We personally know of several people who were healthy until the jab, then we noticed that their demeamer and general cognitive ability has changed. One is the carer for a friends daughter, he has become more argumentative and shorter temper. Another person we know now suffers from blood clots and has had several minor heart attacks, despite being healthy, never smoked or drank to excess. Mainstream says its just 'coincidence' but we see the truth behind the smokescreen of confusion. The main objection I have is that there was no choice in the matter, get jabbed, or you cant participate in society. Smacks of communism or worse a dictatorship.
And perhaps there is some benefit from the gene altering jab technology in relation to cancer. There is some evidence to suggest that those who had cancers and got jabbed, have had a bit of remission. Other studies have shown that some cancers go wild after the jabs, so obviously its an effect not expected.
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Post by tactile on Apr 13, 2023 10:01:56 GMT 10
So that's what...2 to 3 people effected?
Anyone else?
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Post by malewithatail on Apr 13, 2023 10:31:23 GMT 10
It also depends on your circle of 'friends' and how intimate they are with their health details.
My big objection is that we virtually had no choice, get it or don't participate in society. Communism at its best.
If I chose not to do it, then the consequences of that choice are my responsibility, same as if you chose to drive when drunk, the consequences are yours.
Only, with the jabs, the risks were not spelled out, and, as you point out, every medicine has a side effect. That's the first smelly part of the jab rollout, there were supposed to be NO side effects, all positive. I smelt a rat straight away.
And most of us don't like being told what to do.
Always be yourself, express yourself, have faith in yourself, do not go out and look for a successful personality and duplicate it.
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Post by rosebud on Apr 13, 2023 10:37:31 GMT 10
30 years ago, my sister's first baby had the usual childhood vaccinations and screamed for hours after each one. That child is now struggling with autism symptoms, not severe, but enough to make life difficult. When her second child got his first vaccination, he also screamed, so she didn't give him or her next child any more. They are ok. I just think that some people are more prone to reactions and we don't know who they are till it happens. All my children were fine.
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Post by tactile on Apr 13, 2023 11:21:47 GMT 10
It also depends on your circle of 'friends' and how intimate they are with their health details. Nothing has changed in their lives...they are still exercising, going to work, raising families, running businesses. What's supposed to be different here? What was supposed to change? I am still exercising and working and living life like I did before Covid, if I had noticed any problems I would of cut back on my activities as I assume others in my circle would.
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Post by bce1 on Apr 13, 2023 12:27:48 GMT 10
“The main objection I have is that there was no choice in the matter, get jabbed, or you cant participate in society. Smacks of communism or worse a dictatorship.”
I don’t disagree with you MWT. Making them mandatory did more harm than good.
I’m also not questioning your MMR experience. I would point out that all the prospective research does not show a correlation - the difference between an association and causality- but like risk people regularly conflate the two.
But the broad statement about risk / benefits with any medicines or vaccines still applies.
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Post by malewithatail on Apr 13, 2023 12:53:48 GMT 10
We are responsible for producing food, water, shelter etc for ourselves and group, be responsible for health. Even if I had to sign something that if I got Covid, any treatments wouldn't be covered by medicare, fine.
Work out your spirit. Revive your spirit. Put a fire in it that no one can affect. You've got to develop self love that is independent from the world. Get rid of the excuses. Get after life. This is all you get, then you turn back into dust.
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Post by spatial on Apr 27, 2023 17:07:44 GMT 10
Bank crisis is continuing and escalating with bigger banks struggling. Lots of news feeds on First Republic Bank. The Collapse Of First Republic Bank And Preventing The Next Bank Runwww.forbes.com/sites/donmuir/2023/04/27/the-collapse-of-first-republic-bank-and-preventing-the-next-bank-run/?sh=40e301d985baThis shaved 50% off First Republic shares on Tuesday, down to the $8 range. Today FRB plummeted another 30% to under $6 per share, valuing the business at a $1 billion market cap. That’s smaller than many of Arc’s fintech banking peers… And keep in mind that FRB stock was near $150 a share in February, at $115 in early March—and down to $12 by March 20, post-SVB. |
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Post by Stealth on May 3, 2023 12:35:08 GMT 10
First Republic has been bought out by JP Morgan. Bit disturbing that their first solution to these situations is to use their largest bank as their backstop :/
PacWest and Western Alliance are starting to smell iffy too. Not massive banks (comparatively) but I wouldn't like to be customer of one of those banks.
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Post by malewithatail on May 3, 2023 14:46:47 GMT 10
Anyone noticed the ANZ closing branches in country towns ? Maybe reigning in costs before it fails ?
Everything they say they are fighting for, they are actually promoting and spreading.
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Post by Stealth on May 3, 2023 16:32:38 GMT 10
Big banks have been closing branches in rural areas for a few years now. They claim the costs are too high to maintain them. I find that doubtful. I think it's more likely a concerted effort to force consumers into CBDCs when they inevitably get brought about in the mainstream. If you're already doing all your banking online it's more likely that you'll accept an 'imaginary' cash product like CBDCs. Amusingly, "The RBA is committed to ensuring Australians continue to have good access to physical cash for as long as people need or want to use it". Or as long as they remember what physical cash is, at any rate. Chances are my kids kids will never touch cash. |
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Post by frostbite on May 3, 2023 17:29:56 GMT 10
An insider tip: The retail division of Auspost is losing huge amounts of money. Expect official post offices in unprofitable areas to close, taking their banking services with them. If your corner store doesn’t want to become a Licensed Post Office ( and I bet Post screws them over with any contract) then many areas will have no physical banking service at all. And don’t expect the national Labor government to give a damn about Commonwealth services closing in NP held electorates.
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Post by norseman on May 3, 2023 23:05:40 GMT 10
Nearest town to me closed down St George, Westpac and National all in a year or two of each other with only Commonwealth left now. The ANZ bank turned into a single outdoor ATM machine!
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Post by malewithatail on May 4, 2023 8:17:58 GMT 10
When the ANZ left town, they took the ATM with them, that's right, no ATM any more. So we moved across to a local bank, with real customer service and a smile. Much better, and as we don't have much money anyway, when it all collapses we wont have lost much.
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Post by Stealth on May 4, 2023 10:38:36 GMT 10
An insider tip: The retail division of Auspost is losing huge amounts of money. Expect official post offices in unprofitable areas to close, taking their banking services with them. If your corner store doesn’t want to become a Licensed Post Office ( and I bet Post screws them over with any contract) then many areas will have no physical banking service at all. And don’t expect the national Labor government to give a damn about Commonwealth services closing in NP held electorates. This is even more pertinent for rural areas where they have already been moved to banking within the local postal office due to a lack of bank branches for walk-in trading. My in-law's town is an example of that. They have a group for local old ducks and a lot of them are struggling because they have to get into the nearest large town once a month to do their banking, as they don't want the post office to have access to their banking info. The solution was to tell them to give the post office staff their usernames and logins to use the customers own online banking portal! They don't have access to the bank's systems (obviously only at this branch, not sure how it works at others) they're just trying to fill a gap and help the older or less tech-capable customers to still do their banking, and that's the only thing they could think of. And they're very trustworthy folks at the post office there, lovely people who obviously have passed police checks etc. to work there. But I wouldn't give my own personal banking details to a post office staff member either, trustworthy or not. But that's the solution being given to pensioners that don't have direct family or friends who they can safely ask for assistance from. No banks, and give post office staff your own personal log-in to do your banking online for you. Sure. That's a totally reasonable expectation 😒. |
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Post by frostbite on May 4, 2023 11:30:59 GMT 10
Stealth, I’m sure BlackRock will rent those oldies a tiny prison..ahem..apartment…in a 15 minute city with all services available.
Conspiracy theory now, historical fact in 10 years.
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Post by malewithatail on May 4, 2023 12:20:53 GMT 10
Getting everyone ready for the cashless economy, coming soon.
The more I see, the less I know for sure.
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Post by Stealth on May 4, 2023 13:11:08 GMT 10
PacWest weighs its options, sending bank shares in a tailspinCalled it.🤣. I'd be happy to be wrong at any point here. As I've said before, whether we like it or not, anything that hurts the US economy hurts us. Even if only indirectly. But with the outcome of this month's FMOC meeting being largely negative it's starting to smell like they've accepted Recession. And if they're publicly accepting Recession you can almost guarantee they're flirting with Depression.
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Post by norseman on May 4, 2023 14:30:57 GMT 10
An insider tip: The retail division of Auspost is losing huge amounts of money. Expect official post offices in unprofitable areas to close, taking their banking services with them. If your corner store doesn’t want to become a Licensed Post Office ( and I bet Post screws them over with any contract) then many areas will have no physical banking service at all. And don’t expect the national Labor government to give a damn about Commonwealth services closing in NP held electorates. This is even more pertinent for rural areas where they have already been moved to banking within the local postal office due to a lack of bank branches for walk-in trading. My in-law's town is an example of that. They have a group for local old ducks and a lot of them are struggling because they have to get into the nearest large town once a month to do their banking, as they don't want the post office to have access to their banking info. The solution was to tell them to give the post office staff their usernames and logins to use the customers own online banking portal! They don't have access to the bank's systems (obviously only at this branch, not sure how it works at others) they're just trying to fill a gap and help the older or less tech-capable customers to still do their banking, and that's the only thing they could think of. And they're very trustworthy folks at the post office there, lovely people who obviously have passed police checks etc. to work there. But I wouldn't give my own personal banking details to a post office staff member either, trustworthy or not. But that's the solution being given to pensioners that don't have direct family or friends who they can safely ask for assistance from. No banks, and give post office staff your own personal log-in to do your banking online for you. Sure. That's a totally reasonable expectation 😒. Adding insult to injury, around our way the Auspost Franchise Owners and Managers are mostly rude, arrogant farkwits who for cost saving purposes continually fail to roster enough staff to properly service their customers, they are grubs of the highest order! |
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