Tim Horton
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Post by Tim Horton on Jan 24, 2024 3:21:15 GMT 10
Glad to hear your having continued success.. With the heat dissipation issues you mentioned.. Can you open your garage door about 4" and set your box fans to pull air in from the bottom and exhaust hot air over the top.. ??
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Post by Stealth on Jan 25, 2024 9:35:12 GMT 10
I would but sadly anything large of value that doesn't fit in the house is stored in the garage and the most common thief here is under the age of 15 so small enough that it would be an easy task to wiggle in -.- A very good idea though. We've been fortunate, the last couple of days haven't been too hot so I've had the machine running almost constantly. It's been great!
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Post by frostbite on Jan 25, 2024 15:11:47 GMT 10
I hear Rottweillers love to chew on under 15yo thieves.
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Post by frostbite on Jan 26, 2024 10:35:21 GMT 10
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Post by Stealth on Jan 26, 2024 14:06:30 GMT 10
I see what you mean, VERY tidy. Next project, source panels and get 'em in the door. That by itself would make a huge difference I think.
We do have insulation in the roof above the garage so most of the heat comes from either the garage door or the external walls. But if I can get at least the door to be a bit more insulated I think that'll drop the temperature in there at least by a handful of degrees. That alone would make the operating environment quite a bit better for the machine.
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Post by Stealth on May 12, 2024 16:46:43 GMT 10
It's been a little while since I've done an update so a quick one for funzies. I've been freeze drying fresh herbs and storing it in jars because obviously storing them in bags would result in crushed product. Not a fan of that. But what I AM a fan of, is fresh mint for mojitos when mint isn't in season! Haha. These herbs obviously won't last as long for storage, I'd hazard perhaps 2-3 years. They're stored in a dark place and that helps. But having some fresh herbs to sprinkle into food when you're looking for something that dehydrated herbs just don't hit for, they're super handy.
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Post by Tim Horton on May 14, 2024 4:10:35 GMT 10
Glad to hear the update and you are seemingly still having good luck with your machine and process...
Do you vacuum seal your jars of herbs..?? It appears your one piece canning lids are sealed as they are concave looking on top..?? A Food Saver style vacuum machine with jar attachments or other option to seal jars seems a good idea to help shelf life.. Of course, cool, dark, dry storage of clear glass will help..
Wishing you continued good luck..
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Post by Stealth on May 14, 2024 9:33:44 GMT 10
Do you vacuum seal your jars of herbs..?? I do actually, I have a little hand-held pump that you sit on the top of the jar and it vacuum seals. Super handy little gadget! That being said, I've been considering getting an Avid Armor vacuum sealing chamber because then I could use a heap less O2 absorbers and have everything vacuum sealed more easily. It doesn't work great for jars, but if you're bulk vacuuming them you can actually do that in the FDer itself if you take out the shelves. It's an expense that I can't really justify just for now though, as the hand held vacuum does a great job on jars and O2 absorbers are getting the job done for now.
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Post by Tim Horton on May 14, 2024 13:13:04 GMT 10
Stealth.. There are several you tube videos of using a vacuum seal machine, and a kind of bell jar with the hose for the jar lid adaptor.. For instance.. You put a recycled jam jar in the bell jar, vacuum the bell jar and it will seal the recycled jar..
One example..
== I used a number of recycle jars and lids for products that did not benefit from vacuum sealing to good success... I had so many regular and wide mouth canning jars, lids and rings available it didn't make sense to try to keep odd size jars and lids organized to easily use.. Good luck..
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Post by Stealth on Jul 22, 2024 10:38:51 GMT 10
Hubby went to Costco on Saturday and picked up a few kilos of frozen berries for me to freeze dry, so I currently have 1.5kg of raspberries and 750g of blackberries drying 😀. I also have a kilo and a half of blue berries to do, but I need to squash those first so they'll dry properly. I've seen a few tools that will prick multiple berries at once but to be honest that's way too much effort in my books. I don't care if they're pretty, I just care that they TASTE good. So likely I'll wait until they're partially defrosted, squash 'em to break the skin, and then put them through.
I did have to clean the machine out before I did the run because I'd done a double batch of garlic prior to running the load. So replaced the oil (which depressingly was still very clear and didn't need replacing however it STANK of garlic lol) and then did an alcohol wipe-down. Time to ask my MiL for a new batch of cleaning liquid as I've nearly used up the 94% alcohol that she gave me. I'm also going to buy some replacement tubing for the drain tube because it's difficult to clean and probably needs an alcohol soak as well. Leaving it off is possible, but I'd prefer to be able to just switch them out at cleaning time so that I always have a cleaned one ready to go.
I've got plenty of eggs FD'd, probably about 4 dozen at this point. Obviously that's not enough to live on indefinitely! But the basics like milk and eggs are a good thing to run through the machine when we don't have anything specific to process.
The thing I'm happy about is that we're now at the stage where we're considering micros when we FD something. Berries are full of fantastic micros so while they're pricy in general it's worth it to have a decent sized stash of berries. Crumbled on ice cream or other deserts they're downright astounding and give us some nutritional boost that will help if food fatigue starts to kick in. Freeze dried foods of all types are a great for storage obviously, but having something that's effectively had it's form changed and turned into a novelty is a benefit too.
I can't seem to keep in storage is FD'd pink lady apples. They're my favourite type of apples regardless, but when they're FD'd they're like an apple flavoured lolly that's GOOD for you! Win/win when you have kids. So despite how long they take to process to get them ready for FDing, I think I'm going to have to dedicate a solid week to building up our stocks of them again. I've also been asked by my sister to send her some bags of single ingredient items so that'll be something that I'll start doing in the next week or so as well. I'd been planning to do it earlier but it turns out that when it's pouring rain and the humidity is high, the pump puts out a LOT of water mist. I thought water had somehow gotten into the pump and sure enough it had. From the air lol. So when heaps of rain is inbound I just have to wait for a while so that I don't ruin the pump. I won't be able to use it much at all in the summer as it gets too hot in there so I need to continue making the most of the conditions while it's cool.
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Post by Stealth on Sept 4, 2024 11:06:41 GMT 10
No pictures at the moment but a quick update just because ^_^
I need another crate for food storage 🤣. I have two huge totes that are stuffed full, as well as three bunker crates which I'm extremely disappointed are no longer available. They're fantastically sturdy and they were well priced for their quality. I have a few totes from Bunnings and they do hold quite a bit but it would be much easier to organise them if they were the same type of tote. I'm looking now at getting as much processed as I can in the next two to three months because after that it'll start getting too hot for a run to process in a reasonable time frame. I'll continue running cycles where I can but I tend to wind down in the extreme temperatures of winter and summer. So at some point I'll have to make a run to find a good crate for the next batch so that I have somewhere to store them.
Interestingly, we went to a fair a couple of weeks ago and there were two separate stalls with freeze dried lollies. It seems like it's becoming more common at least on the business level.
On another note, Costco has started selling HR FDers in the US so I'm curious to see if they bring them over here as well. I hope so! The more people are able to store their own long-life home cooked food the better in my opinion.
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Post by frostbite on Sept 4, 2024 12:07:33 GMT 10
How’s the insulating the garage project going Stealth? My son is currently lining his big shed with r4 insulation batts and plywood to keep it cooler for food storage.
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Post by malewithatail on Sept 4, 2024 13:15:16 GMT 10
We will be buying a couple of insulated shipping containers for food storage. 40 fotters if the driver can get them in the gate !
Built in the fiveties, all original and unrestored.
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Post by Stealth on Sept 4, 2024 22:24:46 GMT 10
How’s the insulating the garage project going Stealth? My son is currently lining his big shed with r4 insulation batts and plywood to keep it cooler for food storage. I'll be honest, it's been put on hold in the cooler weather. I did a bit of investigation on what the possible costs could be for insulating the garage and while we could do it, it'd be a LOT of money to spend on a house that we're not planning on staying in for more than two years. That being said I've been considering other options like building an additional storage locker style shed an just insulating THAT, because that's a lot less space to insulate and we do have a good space under the patio that we could put it under. The mind boggles at the opportunities!
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Post by Tim Horton on Sept 5, 2024 2:26:39 GMT 10
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Post by Stealth on Sept 5, 2024 21:09:01 GMT 10
Amusingly that's exactly where my first thought went to! It's a good idea, but I realised that it would be a little awkward to use regularly. But that led me to into a bike shed. I can get one for a few hundred dollars and then insulate the heck outta it, and that way it can live out under the patio in the shade and still be lockable so that no one can decide to abscond with it in the night. Good luck to 'em I say, they're bloody hefty units haha. The other advantage of course is that we can take it with us when we leave the property and the kids can just use it for their bikes, or we can use it as a smaller wood shed closer to the house where wood would be kept out of the rain. It'd definitely get use down the track.
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Post by Tim Horton on Sept 7, 2024 19:31:22 GMT 10
G'day... Just saw a 1 minute you tube of someone freeze drying coffee into powder.. Interesting, but I have to wonder if it is worth the time, trouble as opposed to buying instant coffee ?? ?? I suspect they did it just to prove they could do this..
Maybe if you had some special blend to preserve, that would be one thing, but for everyday it doesn't seem cost effective to me ??
Experience ??
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Post by Stealth on Sept 8, 2024 11:18:57 GMT 10
So I've seen quite a bit of discourse about it, and there's one major thing in play I think.
As far as I can tell, American store bought freeze dried coffee isn't that common. From what I've gathered the more popular style is drip coffee from grounds and typically they're heavy on the robusta blend. The two main coffee strains that are used commercially are robusta and arabica (sorry if I'm telling people how to suck eggs lol) and from what I've seen a lot of standard American shelf grounds are at the minimum a blend of arabica and lots of robusta, but are just as often as not, full arabica. Robusta is far cheaper because it grows prolifically in more regions and has heavier cropping rates so it's good for commercial purposes, but it's also heavier on the fruity, acidic side of things rather than the chocolately, creamier balance that arabica typically has. It's exceptionally easy to get a bad cup of robusta coffee. It's more likely than not. Whereas you'll almost always get a minimum passable cup of arabica.
In Australia most coffees are either heavily arabica-based, or straight arabica, because our palates in coffee tend more towards that angle in general. Some robustas are actually quite nice in a blend but I would never EVER drink it as a straight robusta-only blend if I had the choice. Lots of waffle for that but it explains my thoughts on the topic so bare with me lol.
So, in Australia is it worth freeze drying your own coffee? In my opinion, not really. Almost all instant coffee is commercially freeze dried here, from either full arabica or low robusta/high arabica blends, and they're relatively cheap. I wouldn't freeze dry my own coffee personally because it would take a lot of effort to do it. Not only do you have to brew it properly which can take quite a long time to fill four trays if you're brewing it for best possible outcomes, but you'd also have to spend money freeze drying it as well. Another issue is that when you rehydrate freeze dried coffee you're not going to get a product that's as good as fresh simply because you're 're-cooking' the product as it were. It's already been brewed, so adding hot water will reactivate the oils that have already been activated. You'd have to be very careful not to end up with what would taste like an over-extracted cup. It's far less stress, effort and energy to simply buy a jar of Moccona or similar (the Coles fair trade version was pretty tasty when I tried it a while back!) and drink your slightly over-extracted tasting brew because to be honest it still tastes ok and does the job. It's not going to win any gold medals at barista competitions but it tastes alright and I won't stick my nose up at it if I need a cup! I have several large jars of Moccona in my long term pantry even though I don't drink it on the daily anymore.
So that's one aspect. I've seen a lot of Americans saying that they've gone out, bought beans and ground fresh to freeze dry and I think in the environment where freeze dried instant isn't readily available with better tasting beans that makes sense. You're not going to get a perfect cup from it, but very few people are looking for perfection when they're after a quick pick me up. Me included. But it makes sense when your other store-bought alternatives aren't instant freeze dried and that's what you want to stockpile because it lasts for aaaaaaages.
IMO, the only reason to freeze dry your own coffee in Australia is if you are a serious coffee snob, not just a part-time snob. At which point you're spending upwards of $100 a kilo for 'good' coffee beans, grinding it at home, and using something like pour-over or an espresso machine to make it yourself. Those kind of people turn it almost into the Western version of a Japanese tea ceremony and if that's what makes them happy then go for gold, I say! But if you're just an average, every day person looking to store coffee for long term in a pantry to have a daily brew or two, I wouldn't bother. Store bought versions aren't as good as fresh, obviously. But you're not expecting it to be.
That being said for Americans? I'd say it would be worth it depending on where you are and what store bought offerings are available. If freeze dried is crazy expensive or difficult to get, doing it yourself for long term storage might be a really valid way to go. Fresh ground, fresh brewed coffee is always going to have the best results. Then freeze dried (depending on the bean blend), then air dried.
And for reference I'm heartily convinced that if you handed most Aussies a tub of Folgers they'd probably ask you if you were ok. The only ones that would look at that and think 'yeah could be ok' are the ones that drink International Roast without a care in the world. Those people are mutants. Don't trust them. 🤣
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Post by Tim Horton on Sept 8, 2024 17:30:31 GMT 10
I suspected most North American brands of instant coffee are spray dry or rolled over a hot drum to be able to control the size of the crystals that go into the package..
In the tool and die shop and for many years now I have drank what ever instant is on sale in my powdered ...mix... I do have a jar of Tim Hortons instant tucked away and keep a jar of mix when I want a treat..
I also see short video of people freeze drying milk.. I suspect about the same goes for that in it is easier, just as cheap, less time consuming to buy.. And will keep well in the original package until opened..
..Mix.. 1 cup instant coffee 1 cup powdered creamer 1/2 cup powdered milk 1/2 cup powdered sweetener of choice.. I use Splenda Mix well.. Store in a jar with a good lid.. Use 1- 1 1/2 rounded teaspoons mix to a mug of very hot water..
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Post by Stealth on Sept 9, 2024 13:54:27 GMT 10
That's a great idea. I do similar with a pancake mix for my kids. Powdered milk, powdered eggs, flour and sugar all mixed in a large container with the appropriate mixture ratios. It's SUPER handy to have ready to go on weekend mornings because all you have to add is the water. It's basically what they do for those instant-pancake shaker bottle mixes. Obviously mixing the blend yourself is more cost effective and generally less waste (because no plastic bottles to deal with). Generally we just make the mixture on the spot with fresh ingredients but in the case where you're having a lazy morning it's so handy. Sounds like your coffee blend is a very good similar concept.
The only reason I don't use freeze dried powders for those mixes is that FD powders tend to suck moisture out of the air like MAD. So you'd probably end up with a product that would go bad quicker than your average dehydrated product mix. But I certainly have a good amount of milk and eggs FDd in large batches for future use so worst case I can decant them into jars to use them over time.
But a large mylar bag of pre-mixed milk and coffee? That could be very handy. Hrmmm the cogs are turning, might have to give it a go and see if it's worth the effort.
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