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Post by Stealth on Apr 5, 2023 14:16:03 GMT 10
I bought mine from Survival Supplies Australia, they're from Pack Fresh USA. They're not the cheapest bags you can buy (Amazon has cheaper) but they've 100% been the best quality that I've found so far. I figure for how much time and money I'm investing in the product that I make, I want to have the best chance of the bags lasting as long and as well as possible. SSA has so far been very quick in processing my orders, and I receive my orders quickly because I'm on the same side of the country. Postage might take longer on the east coast, but the order itself being shipped has been extremely quick so far for me
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Post by norseman on Apr 6, 2023 5:17:46 GMT 10
I bought mine from Survival Supplies Australia, they're from Pack Fresh USA. They're not the cheapest bags you can buy (Amazon has cheaper) but they've 100% been the best quality that I've found so far. I figure for how much time and money I'm investing in the product that I make, I want to have the best chance of the bags lasting as long and as well as possible. SSA has so far been very quick in processing my orders, and I receive my orders quickly because I'm on the same side of the country. Postage might take longer on the east coast, but the order itself being shipped has been extremely quick so far for me Thanks for that!
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Post by Stealth on Apr 12, 2023 10:57:12 GMT 10
The garlic finished yesterday, it looks almost like it's still fresh. I managed to fill a small bag to the absolute brim which might prove to be a mistake when all I need is a clove's worth. It's fine. If I do need to use it I can either close the bag up and re-seal it with the impulse sealer or put it into mason jars using the handheld, battery powered vacuum sealer. That can be easily charged with solar so it's going to be useable in almost all situations. And then the other product that we processed at the same time was a whole heap of green chillis and a few red chillis that the in-laws brought over. Hubby was going to make some chilli jam with it but we still have a huge jar of his last batch so he decided to ask me to FD it instead. He blended it up, and maced himself 🤣. The I FD'd it, and broke it up into large pieces to put into a bag. All the while, macing myself 🤣🤣🤣. We all know that cooking with chilli can cause a lot of tears and coughing but when it gets powdered and floats into your face when you puff the oxygen out of a bag? Phwar! I coughed so hard I gave myself a headache. Probably also laughing really hard the whole time didn't help. We'll never know. Lmao. Interestingly, the chilli came out cloud-like in the tray. I expected it to crumble as I cut into it with the scraper, but it almost floofed into nothingness. It would have powdered extremely easily in the vitamix but I was NOT going to risk that level of chilli in the air when I opened it. And you really can't leave it sitting in the blender for a long time to settle because it will absorb the ambient moisture in the air in the jug even faster than when it's in a pre-powdered form. So I put chunks of it into the bag very delicately but it did still release a lot of chilli into the air. New experiments/lessons this week: I've been doing some research on fat in FD'd food. The vast majority of the community accepts it as a given that you simply cannot store fatty foods long term because the fat will oxidise and go rancid quickly. I found a channel called SchoolReports, and the gentleman made a video about how he questions that concept. He mentions that Mountain House has meals that are up to 30% saturated fat in content, and they guarantee their meals for 30 years. He said that the use of rosemary as an antioxidant does help and that's why there's a lot of meals with rosemary in them, but he then pointed out that there's a newer company called Freeze Dry Wholesalers who create single item food items like sirloin steak. When you look at the pictures, they clearly indicate a good amount of fat on the meats. That company guarantees ten years. Their ingredient list for each item says the item it is and nothing more. Ie. Sirloin steak is Sirloin steak. No added antioxidants. No added preservatives. Now the gent from SchoolReports says that the storage of fat hinges entirely on the product being guaranteed dry. I would imagine that even the smallest amount of moisture in fat is where people go wrong. But just like the 'FDing is nutritionally better than any other form of FDing" it's hard to find information that says that fat is harder to store than regular macros that isn't written in industry gibberish. The layman finds it hard to understand (it's me, I'm the layman! lol) so the accepted standard to parrot is to just not do it. Sure. If you want to guarantee your food for 30 years then it's probably a good practice to follow. But I don't think I'll have any food in storage for 30 years. Whether it's our home pantry, long term food storage pantry, or SHTF food storage, we like to rotate our foods so that they have the best chance of being as fresh as possible when we really need them. And given how essential fats are to the human body I think it's a risk worth taking. To try to have fats available when you need them means processing animal fats, seed and nut oils and the like. The assumption is that you won't have any access to either of those things, or whatever is required to process them. Having all of the essentials to keep us going until the coast is clear is the main goal and that means finding a method of storage for fats as well. If we only get ten years out of stored fat that's still better than the 1-2 years max we'd get out of a bottle of olive oil.
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Post by malewithatail on Apr 12, 2023 11:51:28 GMT 10
"If we only get ten years out of stored fat that's still better than the 1-2 years max we'd get out of a bottle of olive oil."
We solved that problem when we bought here. There are 300 olives trees, now 35 years old, so no issue with fresh olive oil, which is green in color by the way.
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Post by tactile on Apr 12, 2023 16:45:43 GMT 10
I cook with Avocado oil and it has a lot longer shelf life than other oils. I wonder if the higher the smoke-point of oils the longer the shelf life?
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Post by Stealth on Apr 12, 2023 21:27:19 GMT 10
That's an interesting theory actually. I know that coconut oil and ghee tend to last longer on the shelves. I wonder if you could be onto something. Definitely worth looking into.
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Post by tactile on Apr 13, 2023 7:43:16 GMT 10
It's great on a BBQ...you dont seem to be cleaning the grill grates all the time and you dont seem to get that nasty, carcinogenic, crusty burnt fat build-up as well. Not perfect of course, you have to keep on top of it but doesn't seem to be as bad when BBQ/grilling with other fats.
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Post by Stealth on Apr 13, 2023 15:32:03 GMT 10
I'll definitely give that a go tactile, sounds like it makes life easier if nothing else.
Today's effort was based on my realisation that with the colder weather coming in, illness is something that I can build up my food stocks on as well. So today I blended up nearly a dozen thin skinned (ie. not much pith) lemons with a few cups full of water. They blended into the smoothest paste that looked and smelled of the creamiest lemon meringue pie ever! Well of course I was tempted to taste it and lets just say it smells like it. It sure doesn't taste like it 🤣. But a tablespoon of that powder mixed with a tablespoon of honey and some hot water you have a shot of vitamin C and hopefully something that will help clear the nose and make you feel a bit better. So two trays of those are going in once they've frozen. They'll go into my 'medicine food' kit along with the ruby red grapefruit that I've already dried.
And then two trays of kale that are going to be powdered down to be used in smoothies or to fill out stews and the like for a vitamin boost as well.
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Post by Stealth on May 4, 2023 10:51:42 GMT 10
No pics today because I'm feeling lazy 😅. I've made the exec decision to FD some of the beans and rice that I have in storage. The 'use by' date is Jan 23 for some of the beans but as we all know they'll store MUCH longer than that. 25 odd years or so. And even then, they just get a bit harder to cook. But I like to rotate my stock so that I always have the freshest possible so I figured if I cook some of them up and FD them I'll make some meals that are easier to make in a hurry. Boiling water and 10 minutes of resting time vs. overnight soak and 40-60 minutes of active cooking is a good trade off. So I made up a batch of smokey black beans and rice in the slow cooker and put those through.
The machine conked out because the power cut briefly. Too much load on one part of the system in the house conks out ALL of the power and we were running the microwave, kettle, and air fryer all at once lol. So I had to restart the cycle but it was easy enough to do.
I put a load of cheesecake bites through, a lot of groups say that it's an amazing tasty treat and I thought heck it, why not. We had left overs so I've put them in. But not enough for a full batch so I put a tray of medjool dates through as an experiment. That might end badly. They're full of sugar so it could end up in a sugar-splosion. But I figure you have to have fun with it every now and then and if I can make date sugar by FDing dates then why not.
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Post by malewithatail on May 4, 2023 12:26:44 GMT 10
"The machine conked out because the power cut briefly. Too much load on one part of the system in the house conks out ALL of the power and we were running the microwave, kettle, and air fryer all at once lol. So I had to restart the cycle but it was easy enough to do."
I accidentally turned off the inverter the other evening. I was cleaning up the oil I put around the new queens to keep ants away, and they were siting on top of the inverter as its a warm spot, and I knocked the power push button and...plunged everything into darkness for a few seconds, enough time to kill the satellite internet etc. Anyway, I realized immediately what I had done, so switched it back on, but there were still grumpy people who had to wait for the satellite to reestablish itself and that takes a few minutes.
So it even happens when on your own power !!
U gets what u pay for. If you want first quality oats, well, they cost, but oats that have already been through the horse, they are a bit cheaper.
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Post by Stealth on May 4, 2023 20:30:32 GMT 10
You're not wrong! It's thankfully only happened a couple of times so it's definitely not something I'll get my knickers in a knot about.
I just checked the dates. They have about 12 hours to go because I always add extra dry time to be sure that it is really ready. But a couple sugars bubbled up on the top, and the rest are lightly granulated on them. They look great, but more importantly they don't look like they're going to explode.
Side note, my whole garage smells of cheesecake and medjool dates and I am NOT mad about it. I think my mother-in-law will be particularly pleased with the idea of the dates, she loves them just to snack on so dried wedges of them will probably make her day. Obviously they're just as 'unhealthy' as any other sweet treat but with the nutrients in them they'll make for a particularly nutritious sweet treat.
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Post by Stealth on May 11, 2023 22:18:07 GMT 10
Side snicker.
Made too much spag bol last night as per normal. Well actually spag mac to be fair. But still. Normally it'd go into the fridge for leftovers for the next day. HUBBY suggests putting it in the freeze dryer for MREs. He's just as leary about the state of the world and our own international economy as me now and doesn't even bat an eyelid when I bought a huge amount of long-term storage items to go in the pantry for a restock. For the first few months of having the freeze dryer he'd patiently roll his eyes when I said "We can FD the leftovers for meals later". A few days back he intentionally cooked up an enormous batch of pulled pork to FD half of it for later.
The penny is dropping everywhere that food insecurity is going to be a big risk. I'm extremely glad my hubby now is just as keen on stocking food up as I am. He's obviously not a stupid man but I think like a lot of us, covid and stock delays/instabilities shook his jimmies pretty badly. We don't have to worry about it now. We have fresh fruit and veg and meals FD'd and ready to go when we need them. We'll keep stocking up of course. But it's a relief to know we're both on the same page for sure!
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Post by malewithatail on May 12, 2023 8:03:17 GMT 10
I am so blessed that we are all here of the same mindset, prepping and laying in food, canning, growing, being independent from the masses in water, food, comms, power etc.
Its a food feeling eh stealth ?
How many times do we have to tell you to not divide by zero?
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Post by Stealth on May 22, 2023 13:46:58 GMT 10
Two crates full now. Obviously not enough for a family of five for long, but definitely more than enough for a couple of weeks when you factor in the dry products that we have stored in our long term storage as well. I'm going to have to start working out the approximate costs of FDing including the running costs and bags/O2 absorbers etc. so that I can start to figure out what the actual cost is vs. buying pre-made FD'd food. Not for any reason other than it might help others decide (or not) to make a similar choice. I remember a while back someone mentioning that they'd purchased a pallet of Wyse food buckets and thinking to myself at the time that it was a huge expense but an effective quick solution if you have the funds. The thing I keep asking myself is, would I have stocked aside this much food IF the only choice I had was to purchase pre-made. I don't think I would, for two reasons. The first is that they're just plain expensive! $30 for one two serve bag is doable but obviously pretty expensive to stock multiple days' worth of food for a whole family. The second is that your choices are pretty limited for pre-made. If you're a not an adventurous eater that's probably fine. But we like eating foods from all different cultures and different flavour profiles. Curries aren't that out there in this day and age but the difference between a Mountain House curry and a home-made curry is night and day. So for us it's been a really good solution. We've stored a lot of beans and rice as well of course. But being able to FD meat-based meals or even just leftovers from other meals means that we won't have to live off the same foods over and over. Avoiding food fatigue is definitely high on my list of priorities when it comes to food storage.
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Post by Stealth on Jul 11, 2023 11:57:24 GMT 10
Time for an update, because I found my first real hurdle! There's a lot of complaints in Harvest Right's FB page about defective machines. I thought I was one of the lucky ones with one small problem early on (a demister with a broken thread) that was pretty easily fixed. That raised my confidence a little. It seems, somewhat erroneously 🤣. I posted a few days ago that I was having trouble with our machine tripping the power. We had a sparkie come out and look at what was going on, and he determined that the FDer was likely not earthed properly and was causing the RCD to instantly fritz when the machine turned on. We had him install another dedicated circuit to run the machine off so that if it tripped the RCD it would only effect that circuit. He had a quick look at the machine at the time and said that he couldn't do any work on it as he's not registered as an appliance tech. Anything that he did wouldn't be covered by insurance if he made a mistake. Fair enough. So began the saga of calling around to find someone that COULD work on it. The first local mob I called initially said they couldn't even look at it because it came from America. I explained that it was specifically wired for the Australian electrical system, for Australian use, and the receptionist was still dubious. I then explained that you can purchase the exact machine from an Australian distributor and that they come over in the same shipment. I just skipped the middleman and had the company ship it directly to me. She then said "Well, you can bring it to us and I can get one of the techs to have a look, but they might not even want to open it up. There's still a $40 fee to be told that they won't even look". Wow. Ok. That was option one, albeit fairly unpromising. I then called Dynapumps who're an Australian company that now sell a very similar domestic freezedryer, in the hopes that they might have a recommendation for a repair place that I could send it to internally rather than sending the machine back to the US. I spoke to a very lovely sales guy who said that he'd try to find out who they would send machines to for repair if needed but that they didn't have someone internal at this stage. So far I haven't heard back. Rang a second local mob who advised they also would be very unlikely to be able to help, however they did recommend a local commercial company who repair fridges and freezers for stores like IGA and Colesworth. I contacted them, and they essentially said they weren't sure if they could help but that they'd send a tech out to have a look to see if they could even do anything. Massive step forward, to even get someone on the property was a bit of a win. So this morning one of their techs came in to have a look. After an hour or futzing about he said that he couldn't even get into the machine to have a proper look! Turned out you really just needed two people to get into it if you don't already know exactly how to get the side off *chuckle*. I went out and between the two of us we got the side casing of the machine off which allowed him to have a look at what was going on. I left him to it, and after about twenty minutes or so he came to get me... WITH THE MACHINE RUNNING! What had changed? He removed the earthing portion of the circuit by unplugging the earth cable. Obviously not safe to leave it like that but it confirmed the previous sparky's guess that there was a problem with the earth. It seems that (and we're not certain at this point but the diagnostics are promising) there is a problem with the earthing pin on the power point at the back of the machine. He's taken the connector away with him to get a replacement one, and said that he'll be back this afternoon to replace it and we're crossing fingers, toes and nose that its the only problem. This little bugger is the likely culprit: Other potential culprits are; The boards. There are two, but unlikely that these are the issues as it runs when the earthing cable is not attached. The compressor. Also unlikely, same reason as above. The fan. As above, so below. So at this stage I'm extremely hopeful that it's just the plug point which can be swapped out very easily. I suppose the next problem could be the earthing cable itself but I'm no sparky so I'm not sure if that's possible. If that's the case hopefully it's another easy replacement. I sent old mate off with a bag of FD'd Minties as a thank you for even coming out. I'm hopeful that should anything go bang in the future, he'll be willing to come and have a look at it again for me! I'm also hopeful that (once fixed) nothing DOES go bang again haha. At this stage we have a possible way forward. Before now there wasn't even a hope that we could do anything to fix it alone as it was more than just replacing a power cable or an external part on a pump. Definitely something to be aware of if you're looking at getting one of these machines. The sparky that we had said that any good sparky should have been able to diagnose the problem and come up with some solutions... It was just that none of them were even willing to try because of the machine's somewhat 'exotic' provenance and function.
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Post by malewithatail on Jul 11, 2023 13:11:50 GMT 10
"none of them were even willing to try because of the machine's somewhat 'exotic' provenance and function."
Not really, there is the legal aspect of working on appliances if u are not trained and something causes the house to burn down. The responsibility is on the head of the sparky to decline the job, and good on him for thinking about consequences.
As for you, you've admitted you bypassed the middle man, a good decision ? Only you can decide that, but at least buying locally, you have local backup. In saying that, the machine may have well needed to be sent back to America, but under warranty and not your expense.
Where does one draw the line on local more expensive price, vs local service ? It may have well been that the savings you made in purchasing overseas have been lost in the service issue, especially if the repair doesn't work.
Its different when an equivalent machine isn't available locally, then there really is no choice than to go overseas.
Id like to apologize to anyone I haven't offended yet, I will get to you shortly !
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Post by Stealth on Jul 11, 2023 13:54:58 GMT 10
That is definitely the risk that we considered when we purchased it, no doubt about that.
The cost difference was significant and having someone come to do repairs locally was difficult to achieve, but it's something I'd have done either way because we still would have had to pay our own money to ship it over east for someone to do the same level of repair work. Despite assumptions to the contrary, warranty covers machines only for the local distributor. Not the cost of sending the machine to the source for repairs or replacement. The local mob have a limited warranty despite their insistence otherwise. They either don't understand how their own warranty works (I read through it before I bought from anyone) or they intentionally disguise the fact that shipping costs aren't covered to get a machine to them. So we'd still have to pay to get it over east and back. If the machine had to be returned to the US then the cost of that would be covered by the company, but the cost of shipping it back to the US is basically the same as the cost to ship it over east for us. So we really wouldn't have saved any money in the event of it requiring repairs, and that's something that I factored when buying it direct.
The first locals that we contacted are appliance technicians specifically, so they're legally covered by their insurance to work on appliances. That's why it was frustrating that they wouldn't even look. The guy that did the work for me this morning said that any standard appliance tech could do the work because the only thing that was a little 'odd' (using his term) is the boards that run the vacuum pump and computer. Otherwise, he said everything is easily recognisable as standard fridge/freezer parts. And he said that the boards being slightly different makes no changes to what a tech would do, they'd simply replace it with a new one. He was extremely baffled that they said no without even seeing the machine
But on that note he returned just now and has done a bit more testing and found that unfortunately it's NOT the plug point that has problems as we'd hoped. The compressor is bonked. Fortunately he said that if I get in touch with the tech team from Harvest Right and they say that a locally sourced compressor can be used so long as it matches the capacity then he knows exactly where to get a replacement compressor from. He said that they also carry the gas required onboard as standard so he should be able to get it running again as soon as we have a replacement.
The compressor is a Chinese one which I find mildly hilarious because the yanks on the FB page go off constantly about other machines having Chinese parts, but HR are made in America, dammit! Well, sure. But the parts they use when they build them for EU or AU use are Chinese so they're not as yankee doodle as ya'll think bwahahaha.
I've submitted a ticket with HR, if I haven't heard back from them in a couple of days I'll give them a call. I suspect they'll send a replacement compressor but I'll have to pay for the shipping. If that's the case I'll happily take that hit, our sparky friend said he can definitely install it for us.
So we're still a few weeks at least off a resolution but the best outcome possible has occurred. I've found a local sparky who, despite working for a commercial company, is happy to continue to work on it and get it up and running again. I'm registered as a client with them even though I don't own a business and it's all above board so into the future I won't have to spend days searching for someone that will even take the side off the machine haha. He also said that if the costs start to mount, to look into our insurance to see if it'll cover some of the costs because we might be able to put a claim in for it. I'll keep that one in the back pocket if it all starts getting expensive.
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Post by tactile on Jul 13, 2023 8:24:13 GMT 10
All of these clowns should have public liability insurance so none of the excuses fly with me in regards to working on it. The sparky saying he is not allowed to touch it is BS. Last time I checked appliance connect/reconnect was part of their compulsory training as an apprentice. No one wants to do anything these days - losers.
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Post by malewithatail on Jul 13, 2023 11:15:33 GMT 10
I also think a lot of modern sparkies haven't the reasoning ability to work out whats wrong with what are becoming quite complex appliances nowadays, so they just are not interested.
I did commercial appliance repairs for a large company for several years part time, and even the humble food processor was becoming computerized and more complicated. What should be a simple machine, needed a uni degree to service !
Besides, most consumer grade items are now throw away, as I discovered when our microwave died recently. I cant even buy a new magnetron for it as Aldies had it specially made. Sure, I could shoe horn one to fit from another brand, but u really need the exact fit otherwise there is a lot of RF floating around that can cause trouble. The real killer is a new microwave was less than $150, and a magnetron is about $90 new, so its not worth it. On the plus side, its given me another emp proof storage area.
Great madness sweeps the land. There are no limits on extremes in greed, credulity, convictions, inequality, bombast, recklessness, fraud, corruption, arrogance, hubris, pride, over-reach, self-righteousness and confidence in the rightness of one's opinions. Extremes only become more extreme even as the folly of previous extremes wearies rationality.
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Post by norseman on Jul 13, 2023 11:44:22 GMT 10
I also think a lot of modern sparkies haven't the reasoning ability to work out whats wrong with what are becoming quite complex appliances nowadays, so they just are not interested. I did commercial appliance repairs for a large company for several years part time, and even the humble food processor was becoming computerized and more complicated. What should be a simple machine, needed a uni degree to service ! Besides, most consumer grade items are now throw away, as I discovered when our microwave died recently. I cant even buy a new magnetron for it as Aldies had it specially made. Sure, I could shoe horn one to fit from another brand, but u really need the exact fit otherwise there is a lot of RF floating around that can cause trouble. The real killer is a new microwave was less than $150, and a magnetron is about $90 new, so its not worth it. On the plus side, its given me another emp proof storage area. Great madness sweeps the land. There are no limits on extremes in greed, credulity, convictions, inequality, bombast, recklessness, fraud, corruption, arrogance, hubris, pride, over-reach, self-righteousness and confidence in the rightness of one's opinions. Extremes only become more extreme even as the folly of previous extremes wearies rationality. The average tradie in Oz today is a classless bogan offering very little in the way of effective communication, customer service, general civility and people skills! It's not all of them but it's a lot and it readily shows when they need to deal with the General Public ie their "customers"! Their mantra is "Least Amount of Work for Most Amount of Money"! In Australia when you really need a "technician" you'll always get a "tradie"!
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