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Post by Stealth on Jan 9, 2023 13:25:16 GMT 10
Quite frankly.. Just using conventional pressure canning, bottling we tend to default to a single ingredient per jar system.. It is easy enough to combine things at the time of a meal preparation and makes individual ingredients more useful in more combinations... My 5 cents of opinion.. You make a very good point. It's a lot easier to create a meal out of constituent parts than it is to stomach the same combination of ingredients (ie. a pre-made meal) day in day out for months at a time. Having things separately is probably a good way to at least have a decent amount of variation even if it's not as convenient as dumping whole meals out for reconstitution.
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Post by Stealth on Jan 9, 2023 13:39:10 GMT 10
Sweatie bought a combined apple corer, peeler and slicer unit to deal with the 100's apples, some quite floury. Works the treat to quickly get them ready fro the dehydrator. Once dried, you cant tell they were floury, just so sweet. Not worth trying to store any as the kids just hit them and in a matter of minutes, they are all gone ! I have one of those! The kids really like the 'apple slinkies' that they turn out lol. But you're right, they process them super quickly and it's great because instead of having to hand wash each individual apple to clear off commercial wax it peels them at the same time for me. Who knows what's sprayed on them 🤢. For the ones from the local area we will wash them and keep them skin on, but you just move the blade back to keep the skins on and you're good to go. I'm on the hunt for any tools that I can find that make processing faster so that kind of gadget is super helpful ^_^
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Post by malewithatail on Jan 9, 2023 15:05:46 GMT 10
No sprays, wax coatings or stuffs on our apples, straight from the trees in the orchard. A few bugs maybe, but that's all.
Into the drier, and almost straight from the drier to the kids mouths ! Would be nice to put some away for later, but....
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Post by Stealth on Jan 12, 2023 22:14:12 GMT 10
I finally delved into 'real' prep foods yesterday, cooked up 1kg of beef mince and put it in to dry. I followed an abundance of caution while preparing it for long term storage. I fried it off in a fry pan and then rinsed it in hot water to remove as much of the fat as possible. Then when I put it into the FDer, I put paper towels under it to absorb any remaining fat. Fortunately when I pulled them out of the machine there was no oily residue on the paper towels so I'm pretty confident that they'll easily store a full ten years without problems. There's plenty of arguments for not using paper towels because of the chemicals used for processing paper towel and just as many that say it makes absolutely no difference. Well sure. But when my family is starving I'm pretty confident that we're not going to be all that worried about whether or not the paper was chemically treated 😂. Anyway, two bags of 500g of beef mince ready to be thrown into a dish when we haven't got easy access to meat. Winning. I also got my hands on 3 dozen eggs that I have put into the deep freeze to process tomorrow because obviously prices are going up. I want to take advantage of the prices that we have local to us at the moment for as long as I can. So I'm on the hunt for meats that are relatively well priced and low fat (as they FD better and therefore store longer) to start filling up our FD food crate.
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Post by Beno on Jan 13, 2023 11:09:57 GMT 10
Cool. Literally.
wild game might be your friend here. deer, goat, roo are all lean meats, most birds as well. What about fish?
It’s a shame the fat won’t store in the same way.
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Post by Stealth on Jan 16, 2023 0:00:59 GMT 10
Today's efforts - I got 4 heads of broccoli for $2 and four huge zucchini for 99c each at the local market on Saturday so I spent about an hour breaking them all down. I steamed the broccoli and then threw it in an ice bath to stop the cooking process. End result, 1.5kg each of bright green tasty looking broccoli and cubed zucchini ready to freeze dry. The broccoli has been running all day today. Once again it's been quite warm in the garage and the run time is longer as a result. I was going to divide the batches between two large bags but I think I'll actually put them between four smaller ones. Mostly because even with a large family it's unlikely that I'll need 750g of each vegetable for one meal at a time lol. I'm going to take as much advantage of the fresh food that's in season at the moment as I can. I've already seen a lot of people in American FB groups saying that it's now cheaper for them to buy a #10 can of Auguson Farms eggs than it is for them to buy fresh, because they were FD'd and priced in at last year's prices rather than the current prices. I feel like that's something to take advantage of with the way prices are headed here. I'm also looking at getting a market stall at a local rural market near us. It only runs once a month, but there's no specific requirement for a commercial kitchen or anything like that. I figure if I can do up enough batches of lollies and sell them at a reasonable price that might help provide a small amount of cash to inject into our house repayments. It'll be an experiment to run at least once I think. But not until we're settled and I can figure out reasonable pricing and the like. While other people still have disposable income it might be a good time to dabble.
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Post by malewithatail on Jan 16, 2023 7:00:36 GMT 10
We have just tried to dehydrate some apple slices from our own apples. I say tried, 'cause they didn't last long. All gone within next day or so, after over 50 apples peeled and cored with the little coring machine, sliced and dried and all gone in a few days. Still, the kids like 'em and it is a way to get them to eat fruit.
Local Farmers markets here died during the plandemic, but some stalls are coming back on the roadsides.
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Post by Stealth on Jan 19, 2023 18:06:22 GMT 10
I finally got my FLIR camera yesterday! I've had great fun playing around with it. I had a batch of zucchini in the FDer so of course I tested it with the camera to see any cold spots. Worked a charm. Keeping in mind that a FLIR camera can tell you if there's cold spots in your food but you have to use your common sense when using one. For example, if I know that a tray is 14 degrees and there's a cold spot that's 10 degrees, that's going to show as one part that's cold because it's a different colour. But that doesn't mean everything else that's on the tray isn't cold too! The whole thing is cold, it's just that that one spot is even colder. But it does take away a lot of the guess work of whether or not there's any water there still because if there is it'll show up colder in that area than the rest of the tray. You can see an example in the pictures below. In the tray on the right there's a darker area which would lead you to believe that the area was cooler. And it is. But it's also because that area is a part of the tray that doesn't have anything on it. It's cooled slightly from being in contact with the table underneath it, and the other parts of the tray look 'warmer' because they have product on them which are still retaining some heat from the drying process. Fortunately the camera does have a function to take a measurement of the coldest and hottest part of the image as can be seen on the bottom right. That 21 degrees proves that there's nowhere on the tray that's anywhere close to 21 degrees. Any lower than that would show up as a dark blue/black spot on the tray and would as a result let me know that there was still frozen water inside some of the food. Pretty handy. It does mean that you have to assess all the information that the image provides with other tests like checking that the tray itself is warm and that things look and feel dry as well. It was $500 for the camera so I guess I can add that to the running tally of FDing is expensive as heck 🤣. But as I've said before, it would be heartbreaking to spend all that time (and money!) on a FDer and the associated items only to find that half of my stored foods were rotten after a year. Worth the expense IMO. Some people in FDing groups recommend water meters that detect the level of water in wood and as has been pointed out many times before. Wood is not food, and you have to test every single piece of food to ensure that it's all finished. Random testing is no better than randomly testing one or two pieces of food by crushing them. This way I can take a quick snapshot and throw it in for longer if there are cold spots or take it out and not waste electricity drying something that's already dry if there aren't. There's a few different image settings so I'll have a play around with that and see if I can make it even easier. But even if it doesn't the ability to diagnose cold spots (and therefore ice still in the centre of your food) is invaluable. And as a side note today I'm processing a batch of vanilla French Toast. It's vanilla because apparently I've run out of the HUGE container of cinnamon that I had! Very simple recipe. A bit of milk, some eggs, some sugar, no fats for frying because I used a non-stick pan and they came up nice and crispy. Other FDers have recommended either slicing them into soldiers for French Toast dippers with maple syrup, or rehydrating with a lightly damp cloth in the bag overnight to eat in the morning. I did almost two whole loaves of bread. One loaf was texas sliced and the other was regular. But that should be enough for at least one breakfast per person in our family for at least... *counts in head* one breakfast? From two loaves? Tracks about right 🤣🤣🤣. If they work out well though I'm going to make quite a lot more because it's a super simple breakfast that's relatively cheap and even easier to make than pancakes. I think pancakes might turn out a bit flimsy in the rehydration process and the integrity of the crust should hold it together a bit better when I put them into the mylar bags for long term storage (LTS). I'm also planning to attempt making individual sauce packets to put in each pack of toast. I'm tempted to use maple syrup but I think I'll do honey that can be very made very slightly more viscous by putting a bit of water in it. I'd prefer maple but honey's antibacterial properties make it a safer bet for LTS. Maple syrup has a great storage life too but there will likely be a small air bubble or two in the mylar slips that I'm going to try making and that will give enough space for mould or bacteria to grow. Shouldn't have that problem with honey.
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Post by Stealth on Jan 22, 2023 21:46:57 GMT 10
No pictures for today's post, but I got a bit done yesterday.
I processed 6kg of carrots into slices, 1.5kg of mango into cubes, and two ruby red grapefruit for powder to put through the freeze dryer. The 1kg bags of carrots were 2 for $1, mangos were small but very ripe and delicious and $4.95 a kilo, and the ruby red grapefruit were about $5 for two really nice and weighty ones.
I also had a couple of ruby red grapefruit that I blended up and then diluted with water to FD. I've heard that orange juice and lemon juice can explode (basically create big puffy sticky messes to clean) if you don't dilute them. So I went half/half juice and pulp to water. I zested the grapefruit, threw that in the vitamix, and then peeled the fruit and blended them to heck and back. They went into the chest freezer overnight with about a kilo of mango that I had cubed as well. I'm planning on building up a stock of citrus powders for a few reasons. Partially because I think they'll be great for sprinkling into a g&t. But also because the powder will be a great source for vitamins if needed in the future. I started the day trying to process the carrots by simply cutting them by hand but ohhhh nelly... That wasn't happening. It took me a half hour to process one kilo.
Told hubby that there was no way I was doing another 5kg like that and went and bought a cheap food processor from kmart. Unfortunately cheap is as cheap does. It half sliced, half grated the carrots! Well. It took me about a minute per bag all up so to be honest I'm not going to cry about the fact that they're not 'pretty'. They're roughly the same size and shape and I didn't have to do it by hand so who cares! But I'm definitely going to invest in a better quality one once we've got a bit more storage space.
I also bought a super handy chopping device which, along with a mango slicer, significantly reduced the amount of time it took me to process the mangos. They had to be processed quickly because they're in peak condition and I wanted them to be that perfect level of ripe. Without those gadgets I would have done that one tray and thought "Right, that'll be a nice treat if we ever need to break into the long term storage for some reason but I'm not doing any more this season". With the right combo of handy gadgets it's super easy so I'm going to make a run on the store in the next couple of days and get more while they're still cheap. But I also brought a heap of fresh homegrown produce back from my in-laws freezer last night. I'm going to FD them for them so that they can get some space back in their very full chest freezer. MiL was happy with that, they have a medium sized freezer but it's absolutely chockablock so they need the space!
On a side note, the broccoli that I got at 4 heads for $2 is now $1 each. Still very cheap compared to the $5 a head where we were living before. But still double the price of what I paid for them only a week ago. If I can keep getting a hold of peak quality produce at super cheap prices I'll keep the FDer running 24/7. I have a sinking feeling that the price of food is just going to keep going up for a while and I'll take advantage of whatever bulk prices I can while the getting is good. Sadly there's no one that does any hunting around us to take advantage of things like free game but there's still a great network of home gardens and small holders that we're slowly working our way into.
It's amazing how popular FDed Minties are. And how much people will trade you for a treat that's unusual or hard to get.
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Post by tactile on Jan 23, 2023 8:52:51 GMT 10
One thing you might consider with the FLIR camera is if you find you are on top of your procedures here and you have no other use for it (unlikely but anyhoo), flog it on Ebay or some other site - people pay a bomb for them even second hand, so it's not one of those tools you will buy and it's worthless once you walk out of the shop with it...like hand tools etc. If you ever need a quick buck, you can move it on easily.
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Post by Stealth on Jan 23, 2023 14:58:17 GMT 10
Today the FLIR proved it's value! I checked the mango and grapefruit. The grapefruit, despite it being half water because it was diluted, is definitely dry and ready to process to powder. The mango however is clearly showing a colder spot in the tray. It definitely looked dry in the tray, but the FLIR clearly shows a cooler spot which indicates that there's still liquid in it. Did the camera picking up on that on tray of not yet ready produce save me the $500 that the camera cost? Heck no! But over time the certainty that it's good to go will be worth more than it's weight that's for sure. I've put it in for another two hours and when that time is up I'll check again. But I'm definitely very very happy that I bought the camera because now each time there's no space for confusion. It's either all dry, or not.
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Post by tactile on Jan 23, 2023 19:38:10 GMT 10
When winter comes you will be able to see where your house is leaking heat and take remedial action if you can. You will also see how crap single glazed windows are at leaking heat from the house. This sort of work makes it pay for itself pretty quick.
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Post by malewithatail on Jan 24, 2023 7:10:58 GMT 10
Bought an FLIR camera for the local Council to aid in fault finding on electrical panels. Amazing, was able to detect hot joints before they failed and repair things before they broke down. Saving to buy another one for me.
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Post by Stealth on Jan 29, 2023 23:29:07 GMT 10
The shoe that I was waiting for dropped this weekend! I've been expecting something to go wrong for the last month and something finally did.
I went to put another cycle on and found the pump was emitting a smoky haze. Not all that uncommon if your demister needs a clean, but mildly worrying as it's not really something that should happen if your pump is working properly. Especially when it's so new. So I unscrewed the demister to clean the filter and found the heavy duty plastic thread for the filter that goes into the pump is broken! Not only that, but the filter wasn't screwed into the demister properly which is what resulted in the pump putting out the oil haze. Great. I've sent HR a ticket asking for a replacement so that I can continue to use it but haven't heard anything yet. It's a bit of a disappointment given that I've only had the pump for a month. It'll take a solid two weeks to get it sent over when they DO see my ticket (or possibly longer) so we're looking at the machine being out of commission for that long at least. At least it's still covered by warranty!
It's a bit frustrating. But it's also been a great learning experience. I had to look up a video on how to take the demister apart to clean it and managed to do that quite easily. I'd been intimidated about the prospect of doing it earlier because maintaining pumps is something I've never even had glancing experience with. I knew when I bought the machine that I'd very likely have to do almost all of the maintenance myself. If not all of it. But I was mildly concerned about my ability to do so. So even though there's a broken part I learned something useful and now know for the future how to do it when the part is replaced. It's also taught me to look over things and learn how to fix them before they break so that when they do I can diagnose the problem and fix it as soon as possible. When I get the new demister I'll know to check that the filter has been screwed in properly which I didn't know before and wasn't mentioned in any of the documentation they provided. Good learning experience.
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Post by Stealth on Feb 17, 2023 12:21:37 GMT 10
Well. Three weeks after my last post and my new demister finally arrived. It would have taken only two weeks, but unfortunately the rep that I spoke to made a typo in my postal address and the parcel sat in Sydney for a few days before I noticed the problem in the online tracking and got in touch with Fedex. They were absolutely great about it, got the address updated and had it pushed on to the next transport method that same day. Only took a few more days to arrive so despite the delay it really was very fast between identifying the problem and having the replacement part in my hand. Given that it comes from Utah I was pretty impressed. The second win was that they sent me one of the older demisters. It's exactly the same, but has a metal thread for the filter rather than the heavy duty plastic. It screwed in very neatly without any effort whatsoever and just feels like a more solid build in general. I'm planning to re-clean the internal filter portion from the old demister to use as a spare part. As the filter can be put into the new demister if required, I'll also keep the extra O-rings and the like for later. I'm not certain as to why they moved from the original build to the new one but I've seen murmurings online that it was supposed to be a cost saver. Clearly that's not working out great if there's regular comment about similar problems online. Either way the problem is fixed now. I put the demister on and ran a test and not a single whiff of smoke. Happy days. The only other hiccup that I've had is that a batch of mylar bags that I've previously loved turned out to be duds. I suspect it's just that batch, lots of pinholes and cracking aluminium. I packaged up a heap of bags of vegetables and the like that had already been bagged, only to find that they were compromised and had been letting tiny amounts of air in through the holes. I figured that out pretty quicky and sealed all of the product into mason jars to wait for the new demister to arrive and the general consensus was that it should be fine to reprocess the veg and rebag it, but that the mince that I'd done should be ditched. I'm fortunate that only one bag of the mince has failed but severely unimpressed with the fact that I'll now have to bin one of the bags purely for safety's sake. Meat obviously takes a little more effort to process for LTS as you have to get rid of as much of the fat as possible. That means more wastage and less end product but it's worth it for the longer shelf life. It is what it is. I'd much rather bin food that might cause illness than risk it and hope it's ok when we don't have access to medical care! I've now put in an put my first batch on that had been waiting up loaded on the trays since the original problem started. We're now running two trays of pulled pork and two trays of carrots. It's satisfying to walk into the garage and hear the reassuring rumble of the pump once again. It was mildly frustrating to have a three week gap in our LTS food production given that we need to rebuild our supplies after our move but touch wood we'll be able to continue on. I think I'm going to have to start some form of tracking database so that I know exactly what I have in storage so that I don't end up with 500 bags of the same thing.
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Post by malewithatail on Feb 17, 2023 14:59:40 GMT 10
We would have one too, if we had enough money to buy it ! But, she who must be obeyed is running the dehydrators every day, so much so that I have installed a separate power system just for them so they can be run into the evening without affecting the main battery's. It consists of a 1.8 kw solar array, Victron 150/100 regulator, 12 volt, 1,000 amp hour battery bank and a 2 kw Jaycar 240 volt inverter. There is also a small, 30 amp, 12 v Repco battery charger to top up the battery's if needed, This system also runs a small fridge/freezer for overflow grocery shopping use, and is enough to be able to finish off a whole dehydrating load per day in each dehydrator unit.
We store everything that we've dried in screw top glass bottles and jars, heaps usually available for almost nothing at the local Salvos shop.
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Post by Stealth on Feb 18, 2023 11:38:42 GMT 10
They're pretty spicy cost-wise. Both to buy and run. We haven't yet figured out the cost of running ours as we got the solar installed half way through the first quarter of electricity usage. Obviously if you're running full solar and don't have to rely on the grid that takes a lot of sting out of it but at the end of the day the machine itself is pretty expensive. Dehydrators are definitely a great way to go. The only reason I didn't just stick with a dehydrator is because the nutrition factor was a huge concern for me. Apparently you lose about 50% of the nutrition in dehydrated foods and while that's fantastic if you've got a productive garden that suits most of your needs I had to assume that we weren't going to have that for a while. Once we have a decent garden I'm hoping that won't be as big of a concern but obviously I'll keep FDing even once we do have that option. I've been considering what to do with the machine once we have a decent stock of food saved up. I think one option will be freeze dried lollies and ice cream at local markets. It's easy to do and a great novelty for people who aren't interested in prepping. But I can also do small batch FD'd meals etc. for folks who're into prepping but have nutritional requirements that large companies don't/can't account for. Gluten free, low sugar, dairy free, that sort of thing. We'll see, that's a fair way off in the future.
But I think it's definitely worth having a game plan for things to do with the machine once you're stacked to the rafters with meals because it's a very expensive item to have just sitting there doing nothing. I felt guilty even with three weeks of down time!
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Post by rosebud on Feb 18, 2023 12:35:01 GMT 10
Glad to see you are getting good use out of your freeze dryer, Stealth. Hope it's well worth the cost to buy, your time and in (solar) power. Sometimes the end result is worth it, even if financially or otherwise it takes a while to recoup. You have the food now, even if there is an emergency.
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Post by tactile on Feb 19, 2023 17:35:49 GMT 10
Apparently you lose about 50% of the nutrition in dehydrated foods and while that's fantastic if you've got a productive garden that suits most of your needs I had to assume that we weren't going to have that for a while. I knew that sun-dried stuff got knocked around nutritionally, but I didn't know that de-humidifiers were that harsh on foods. Anyone else have data on this?
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Post by malewithatail on Feb 20, 2023 7:12:24 GMT 10
We have tried sun drying food, but it usually goes moldy before being fully dried, so now use a couple of 240 v dehydrators. A little is lost in the process, but being able to store food sustainably sourced from the garden, is worth the loss.
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