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Post by spatial on Apr 3, 2024 11:32:07 GMT 10
Another day another country on the brink, No food no power, economy crumbling. Mass protests and migration of people leaving.
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Post by spatial on Apr 4, 2024 8:31:30 GMT 10
Top US Egg Supplier "Temporarily Ceases" Operations At Texas Plant After Bird Flu Outbreak www.zerohedge.com/commodities/top-us-egg-supplier-temporarily-ceases-operations-texas-plant-after-bird-flu-detectedThe largest egg producer in the US has temporarily halted production at one of its facilities after bird flu—also known as highly pathogenic avian influenza, or HPAI—was detected. Cal-Maine Foods, Inc. wrote in a press release that HPAI was detected at "one of the Company's facilities located in Parmer County, Texas, resulting in depopulation of approximately 1.6 million laying hens and 337,000 pullets, or approximately 3.6% of the Company's total flock."
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Post by malewithatail on Apr 4, 2024 14:06:57 GMT 10
From Quora
Good points.
If an apocalyptic event occurred that wiped out most of humanity and put us back into the Stone Age, would humanity eventually come back to the modern age or would it be stuck in the Stone age? It is entirely possible that if civilization falls, it will never rise again.
On the one hand, a shallow, superficial analysis would be something like “we rise from the Stibe Age to the Information Age once before, we could certainly do it again!”
But consider this:
The world’s supplies of surface copper and tin ores, accessible without advanced technology, are gone. The world’s supplies of surface deposits of iron ore, accessible without advanced technology, are gone. The world’s supplies of easily reachable oil and coal, that can be mined without sophisticated deep drilling and large-scale mountaintop removal, are mostly gone. The vast temperate rainforests that once covered Europe and provided fuel for forging and blacksmithing are gone. It doesn’t matter if you have the knowledge if the resources are gone.
How can you get from the Stone Age to the Bronze Age without copper and tin that a Stone Age civilization can reach?
How can you get from the Bronze Age to the Iron Age without iron ores accessible to a Bronze Age society?
How can you get from the Iron Age to the Industrial Age without fuel and resources an Iron Age society can obtain?
We have done an incredibly efficient job of stripping the planet of all the low-hanging resources a simpler technology can use. Those resources just aren’t there any more. If all the iron ore left on the planet requires advanced technology to reach, and you’re knocked back to the Stone Age, it might as well be on the moon for all the good it does you.
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Post by bug on Apr 4, 2024 18:03:56 GMT 10
I've often wondered the same thing. The resources we have, effectively give us one shot at developing sufficiently to mine asteroids, other planets etc. The most obvious 'mining' location in the future will be rubbish tips.
It is unfathomable what we are doing with oil. We allow most plastics to be produced in an unrecyclable form. Most oil we burn, when there are alternatives to it available right now. Much of that burn is wasteful too. The amount of oil getting a second use would be a tiny fraction of one percent. Future generations may curse us for doing this and rightly so.
The only way round it would be for any next civilisation to stay feudal, with the population living in poverty mining the low concentration of resources so that a tiny few can use them. Modern freedom and democracy could never return.
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Post by spatial on Apr 4, 2024 21:32:40 GMT 10
Iron and and copper are very recyclable, energy is a big issue. Einstein thought we will be going back to sticks and stones.
With the fall of every great civilisation a lot of know, ledge is lost and takes decades to rediscover. Things like boating, structure of the earth, weather patterns will never be lost. How to make gunpowder, compass, x-ray etc... , medical knowledge. Bizarre practices like blood letting, using mercury to treat viral infections will hopefully be a thing of the past. DNA contaminated vaccines would also hopefully be a thing of the past...
Albert Einstein — 'I know not with what weapons World War III will be fought, but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones.'
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Post by spatial on Apr 5, 2024 6:17:38 GMT 10
Thing heating up in the Middle East, oil going up. The US, UK and EU alliance being defeated by the Houthi rebels in Yemen!!
Last night at 3am checked stocks were all in the green, this morning down by almost 1.5%
Oil Surges Over $90, Stocks Tumble After Israel Puts Embassies Around World On Maximum Alert
'Stunning': The Biden Administration Is Waving The White Flag On Red Sea Crisis
"IDF At War": Israel Scrambles GPS Signal As Iran Revenge Attack Imminent
Iran Rocked By Overnight Terror Attacks As Gunmen Leave 11 Dead, Including IRGC Officer
At Least 10 Dead, 1000 Injured As Taiwan Quake Damages Eight US-Made Fighter-Jets
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Post by spinifex on Apr 5, 2024 18:56:28 GMT 10
From Quora Good points. If an apocalyptic event occurred that wiped out most of humanity and put us back into the Stone Age, would humanity eventually come back to the modern age or would it be stuck in the Stone age? It is entirely possible that if civilization falls, it will never rise again. On the one hand, a shallow, superficial analysis would be something like “we rise from the Stibe Age to the Information Age once before, we could certainly do it again!” But consider this: The world’s supplies of surface copper and tin ores, accessible without advanced technology, are gone. The world’s supplies of surface deposits of iron ore, accessible without advanced technology, are gone. The world’s supplies of easily reachable oil and coal, that can be mined without sophisticated deep drilling and large-scale mountaintop removal, are mostly gone. The vast temperate rainforests that once covered Europe and provided fuel for forging and blacksmithing are gone. It doesn’t matter if you have the knowledge if the resources are gone. How can you get from the Stone Age to the Bronze Age without copper and tin that a Stone Age civilization can reach? How can you get from the Bronze Age to the Iron Age without iron ores accessible to a Bronze Age society? How can you get from the Iron Age to the Industrial Age without fuel and resources an Iron Age society can obtain? We have done an incredibly efficient job of stripping the planet of all the low-hanging resources a simpler technology can use. Those resources just aren’t there any more. If all the iron ore left on the planet requires advanced technology to reach, and you’re knocked back to the Stone Age, it might as well be on the moon for all the good it does you. Fools find no pleasure in understanding but delight in airing their own opinions. Back in the 80s was the last time we could reset current style civilisation after a huge catastrophe. There were enough durable and good quality tools to be able to reestablish manufacture of key products. After that time computerisation, miniaturisation, automation has blotted out skilled workers and modern tools and equipment have been designed to have short service lives and be unrepairable. This lack of skilled labour and lack of quality tools will be a gap we can’t easily bridge. For example, how many people these days could cut a cog to put in a gearbox?
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Post by bug on Apr 5, 2024 19:16:43 GMT 10
So few have useful trades these days. The government is now looking at importing more builders from the 3rd world because there aren't enough tradies here. Seems to be no shortage of Diversity Inclusiveness Equality qualified people at every corporation though.
Even if there were still some surviving computer chip factories, they are going to be keeping that stuff internal or charging a mint to export.
I suppose the real test is 'could you build a (low tech) house?' or 'could you grow your own food?'. A failure on either of those and there's no rebuilding for you.
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Post by frostbite on Apr 5, 2024 19:29:02 GMT 10
Building the house is simple. Making the material to build it with not so simple.
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Post by malewithatail on Apr 6, 2024 7:57:35 GMT 10
Recycling scrap iron etc is not as easy as it sounds. The 'mix' is getting 'contaminated', even today and its getting harder to produce good quality iron and steel from scrap. The issue is that the high tensile has to sorted from the silicon steel, and copper/Nickle steel and cast iron before re smelting, otherwise you get imperfections and voids in the 'new' iron that weakens and ruins its properties. In fact, its not wise to use recycled iron products for stressful applications, such as construction because of possible failure modes.
After the collapse, I suppose the use for iron will be for tools/knives and so on, so the actual quality of the metal will not really be an issue.
Ditto for copper and other metals.
Having built several houses and many sheds using bush materials, its not that hard to do and end up with a weatherproof building. A dirt floor can be sealed with oil, and indeed if done properly is indistinguishable from a polished wooden floor.
Battery power tools will still be useable for a few years until the battery's die, giving more than enough time to build a house. Bear in mind that time will be valuable after, what with growing food, seeking water and so on.
Computer chips are not going to help you survive, especially as there will be no internet. Perhaps relaxing of an evening playing solitaire or watching a movie may be there, but I suspect that it will be going to bed at dark and rising at dawn just to survive.
Good point re cutting a gear and making it work in a gearbox. I'm at present having to do that as my old Rover rancher ride on has a worn out final drive gear and its unobtainable and any 2nd hand ones I've seen are just as worn, so I'm having to build it up with some high tensile weld and file it back to shape. All with a standard stick welder, no modern high tech MiG stuff here !
The lack of Tradies can be laid directly at the Govts door, they cut back on apprentices and public service trade jobs many years ago to use external contractors. Ditto for large companies like BHP, and Alcoa.
Add in a generous slice of apathy from the general public, and its set for failure. And add in a general population that want to be entertained, rather than pursue a hobby, and will purchase a widget rather than try and make something, however simple, and its all over red rover.
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Post by frostbite on Apr 6, 2024 8:22:13 GMT 10
Quote: The lack of Tradies can be laid directly at the Govts door, they cut back on apprentices and public service trade jobs many years ago to use external contractors. Ditto for large companies like BHP, and Alcoa.
The shortage is so acute my tradie son recently charged a caravan park a half day job at $500 per each 45 minutes labour replacing the tracks on glass sliding doors. They were so happy with his cheap rates they are throwing heaps more jobs at him.
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Post by malewithatail on Apr 6, 2024 8:45:41 GMT 10
I've people ringing up wanting me to do a 'quick' electrical/solar/truck driving job for them, but prepping is fulltime and I'm retired now. One has to stop somewhere and I've stopped.
Money isn't everything.
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Post by Joey on Apr 6, 2024 9:54:07 GMT 10
Even here in mining a good tradie is a hot commodity. Running around visiting sites all day for my fitting job, it's fairly common for me to get job offers at least once a month in person as well as emails from companies looking at my profile on Seek offering me jobs. I sold a roofcage off my car the other evening to a guy and he spent half an hour chatting about work and said to me I could name my price if I came and worked at his company servicing and repairing compressors in the mines which his dad is the owner.
As far as BHP, what they have done for the last 5 years is chase the ESG scores by making sure they hire majority female or aboriginal apprentices. All fair and well if they are serious about following the trade afterwards and not just doing it for 4yrs of fat pay cheques. When I was going to TAFE, one of the girls from another mine was bragging about how she had dragged her apprenticeship out for 6yrs by constantly getting pregnant and just dropping kids and staying on maternity leave for most of the time and still getting paid.
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Post by Tim Horton on Apr 6, 2024 13:40:13 GMT 10
If you dig deep enough.. You will likely find many, most trade schools have been absorbed into the university education system.. This partly because trade school people contribute more back to the local, state, country tax systems through wages from local jobs.. Most university grads move out of local area, state, country.. But the university system is the universities bigger money maker.. So absorbing trade schools is the best, easiest way to control them and there funding..
I know this locally as at one time we had friends vey high up in the state finance department, who were very close to the local state university system and such... This has been happening over almost 35 or so years..
My 5 cents of experience with this..
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Post by Joey on Apr 6, 2024 14:51:21 GMT 10
usawatchdog.com/biden-8-approval-means-panic-war-martin-armstrong/Legendary financial and geopolitical cycle analyst Martin Armstrong has new data on President Biden’s approval numbers. Nearly two years ago, President Biden’s real job approval rating in America was just 12%. More than one year ago, the real Biden approval number slipped to 9.5% (and stayed there) according to Armstrong’s world renowned “Socrates” predictive computer program. Now, Biden’s rating tumbled again. Armstrong says, “It is basically hovering around 7.5% to 8% at this stage. I know this goes against the mainstream media, but if you look at Google, it is really politically motivated. . . . The other number you need to look at is the confidence in government, and it is at 28%. . . . This number is unheard of since World War II.
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Post by bug on Apr 6, 2024 19:01:58 GMT 10
Medical imaging may be something that cannot be recovered. Even now, pre-1945 steel is valuable as all post WWII steel is contaminated with enough radiation for it to affect the scans. Old WWII ships have repeatedly mysteriously disappeared, no doubt for the steel. This isn't something that can be readily de-contaminated either.
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Post by malewithatail on Apr 7, 2024 7:48:05 GMT 10
That's true as well. Forgot about that source of contamination.
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Post by spatial on Apr 7, 2024 20:01:42 GMT 10
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Post by Stealth on Apr 9, 2024 9:29:32 GMT 10
Pentagon UFO chief says alien mothership in our solar system possibleIf you want to read the research (more like a "This could be possible, no really!") it's here lweb.cfa.harvard.edu/~loeb/LK1.pdf. Be warned, there are a lot of references and most of them are to quite good research. It implies an air of fact to the report that I'd be very dubious of. But their assertion that it has anything to do with a 'mothership' is about as factual and proven as 'everyone knows about unicorns so they must be real'. There's probably hints of truth such as 'an unidentified object with an unusually manufactured appearing flight pattern did xyz'. Still... ALIENS
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Post by spatial on Apr 10, 2024 16:17:16 GMT 10
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