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Post by tactile on Oct 24, 2023 8:49:20 GMT 10
Don't watch if you're hanging out for WW3.
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Post by Stealth on Oct 24, 2023 10:56:12 GMT 10
To be honest, it's not Israel or Hamas that are making my hair stand up. They've been bashing on each other since the dawn of the Gaza strip (and far, far longer).
It's the US response. Uncle Sam's war coffers are getting low and their swift and speedy deployment to the middle east when Ukraine's situation only resulted in the provision of weapons and materiel makes my spidey senses start to tingle. Or rather, jangle.
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Post by malewithatail on Oct 24, 2023 11:13:06 GMT 10
And to add to the USA woes is a totally incompetent President who has no idea what day it is, let alone who he is or where he is.
Also, this threat must be dealt with now, or else its gonna come back and bite the west on the bum in the future. Whats the answer ?
Magic Smoke is the stuff used to build integrated circuits, like computer chips.
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Post by Tim Horton on Oct 24, 2023 11:17:28 GMT 10
I'm going to go with the theory ...while everyone is watching the left hand.. China will have there right hand busy with Taiwan or ..fill in the blank..
Then there is Iran and (?).. N Korea and (?).. A couple places in Africa that could erupt any moment.. ?? I feel there are many other bon fires ready to ignite that will drag the whole world into chaos..
South America ?? For instance, Venezuela has been in collapse for so long now, will someone think this is there time to take advantage of them ??
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Post by spatial on Oct 24, 2023 11:19:43 GMT 10
To be honest, it's not Israel or Hamas that are making my hair stand up. They've been bashing on each other since the dawn of the Gaza strip (and far, far longer). It's the US response. Uncle Sam's war coffers are getting low and their swift and speedy deployment to the middle east when Ukraine's situation only resulted in the provision of weapons and materiel makes my spidey senses start to tingle. Or rather, jangle. Yip: actions on the ground speak very loudly. There is constant escalation on the Syrian and Lebanon border with Israel and multiple attacks on US bases and ships... Russia Accuses US Of Stoking "Escalation" By Mideast Force Build-Up As Pentagon Blames Iran www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/gaza-death-toll-surpasses-5000-amid-un-eu-calls-ceasefire-us-increases-deterrenceUpdate(1845ET): Russia has weighed in strongly against the additional US warships recently sent by the Pentagon to the Middle East region, saying this heightened US presence only serves as a risk of "escalation" of the conflict in Gaza. Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov said Monday during a meeting Tehran that "the more a state takes this kind of proactive measures, the greater the risk and the danger of an escalation of the conflict". He called out Washington as "already among the countries intervening the most" since the October 7 Hamas terror attack. The same day, the Pentagon said it believes Iran-backed groups in the region are planning to ramp up attacks on US forces in the region. This came amid continuing sporadic drone and missile strikes against US bases in Syria and Iraq. According to a fresh CNN report: There are “red lights flashing everywhere,” a US official in the region told CNN.
Officials said that at this point, Iran appears to be encouraging the groups rather than explicitly directing them. One official said Iran is providing guidance to the militia groups that they will not be punished – by not getting resupplied with weaponry, for example – if they continue to attack US or Israeli targets. On Monday, National Security Council spokesperson John Kirby said there is “a very direct connection between these groups” and the Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps, and he said the US is “deeply concerned about the potential of any significant escalation of these attacks in the days ahead.”
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Post by spatial on Oct 24, 2023 11:30:35 GMT 10
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Post by spatial on Oct 24, 2023 11:39:36 GMT 10
War talk form US senator.. or a very serious warning.. They now will have to get involved or lose all credibility. Tucker Carlson sat down with Col. Douglas Macgregor (ret.), who laid out a disturbing scenario in which the United States could quickly be pulled into a direct conflict with Iran, Russia and China over Israel's anticipated response to the October 7 Hamas attack.www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/israel-nuclear-wildcard-dangerous-road-armageddon-macgregorCarlson then asks: "So what would war with Iran mean? Well, it's hard to know because virtually no one who's talking about it in public is operating from a deep interest in America's interest. Is this good for us, or is it not?" If, as Sen. Graham suggests, we start bombing critical infrastructure in Iran, Macgregor warns "the destruction would be wholesale" as Iran would target "all the bases we have in Iraq and Syria - with around 1000 Americans - would be targeted... and this time accurately." According to Macgregor, "The chosen destination" if we continue on this path, "is Armageddon," and the implications (of which nobody seems to be considering) for the United States, Europe, and the Middle East are grave. For example, "just on the economic side, about 20% of the world's oil passes through the Straits of Hormuz every month - probably 25% of liquefied natural gas, and you're talking about shutting down 2 to three million barrels a day of oil from Iran. "You know this entire region is involved in the war. This is not an Iranian Monopoly by any stretch of the imagination," he continued. The two also discussed how one of the primary challenges of in contemplating war with Iran is the unpredictable nature of such conflicts. Economic sanctions, which have been the go-to strategy for years, have failed to cripple Iran's military capabilities. When military force comes into play, a whole new set of unknowns emerges. The U.S. military, as it stands, may not be adequately prepared for such a conflict - particularly if the enemy has new weapons systems and capabilities. "We've had the luxury of sitting around forward operating bases and striking opponents that were armed with AK-47s, and command detonated mines and the occasional mortar or rocket. Very, very low-intensity combat," he said, referring to the types of engagements the US military has grown accustomed to. Nuclear wildcard?According to Macgregor, "This is a high-end, conventional war that we're looking at, with the potential to go nuclear - which, obviously, I don't think we or the Russians want to happen, but we have the wild-card in Israel. They do have a nuclear capability."
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Post by spatial on Oct 25, 2023 6:11:43 GMT 10
Australia now getting involved - most countries preparing for and escalation. US, German, UK and French head of states visiting Israel - never seen that before - they all concerned about something.. Australia to deploy additional ADF personnel and aircraft to the Middle-East www.news.com.au/world/middle-east/australia-to-deploy-additional-adf-personnel-and-aircraft-to-the-middleeast/news-story/0e3a831aec58b9dbe8ffef2bfff1c47bThe government will deploy more Australian military forces to the Middle East in response to the deepening war crisis in Gaza. Acting Prime Minister Richard Marles announced on Wednesday two additional Australian Air Force aircraft and a small detachment of army personnel has been sent to the region as a precautionary measure. “We're not saying we’re in the Middle East for operational reasons, but we are putting that in place, really, as a contingency to support Australian populations in the Middle East,” Mr Marles told Today. “Bearing in mind that this is a very volatile situation and we just don't absolutely know which way it goes from here.”
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Post by Stealth on Oct 25, 2023 7:50:22 GMT 10
The frames going in are a C17 (large transport) and a KC30 (a refueller). If they're planning to extract 79 Aussies, the C17 makes sense. You wouldn't want to try to cram that many into a C130. It'd be hilarious but no. They've also said they've sent a small detachment of army personnel. Also makes sense. I'd hazard that they're almost all loggies and admin staff to process 79 Aussies and all of their luggage through the UAE on their return home. So at this stage that deployment makes perfect sense and isn't anything to be concerned about.
Now if they hang out there after the civies have been returned I'd be curious. Still not concerned mind you, more likely wondering what equipment they're bringing in because that would determine how big the effort was and how long they expect to be there.
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Post by malewithatail on Oct 25, 2023 12:12:52 GMT 10
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Post by frostbite on Oct 25, 2023 15:07:53 GMT 10
The frames going in are a C17 (large transport) and a KC30 (a refueller). If they're planning to extract 79 Aussies, the C17 makes sense. You wouldn't want to try to cram that many into a C130. It'd be hilarious but no. They've also said they've sent a small detachment of army personnel. Also makes sense. I'd hazard that they're almost all loggies and admin staff to process 79 Aussies and all of their luggage through the UAE on their return home. So at this stage that deployment makes perfect sense and isn't anything to be concerned about. Now if they hang out there after the civies have been returned I'd be curious. Still not concerned mind you, more likely wondering what equipment they're bringing in because that would determine how big the effort was and how long they expect to be there. And probably a bunch of those ADGie special forces dreamers to protect the ‘frames’. The really hard guys who can’t do a picket without a warm fire.
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Post by Stealth on Oct 25, 2023 15:37:33 GMT 10
And probably a bunch of those ADGie special forces dreamers to protect the ‘frames’. The really hard guys who can’t do a picket without a warm fire. Excuse me? I believe you mean "hardened airfield outer-track generators". They like to be properly acknowledged for their dedicated consistent patrols leaving a passable trail for anyone doing a morning 5km plod, thank you very much. Hahahhaha. Mind you if the air con is out in the truck they're heaps big mad if they have to walk. In all seriousness, I'm pretty sure they use Airbase Protection and Security folks for deployments nowadays. They're basically serco gate guards in uniform, and only slightly more self-aware than your average ADGie of their capabilities or lack thereof. I jest, the couple of ADGies I've known have actually been super switched on and definitely someone that I'd trust as much to guard my back. To be fair though, one of them constantly says "The only smart ADGie is an ex-ADGie" so I guess even they're under no illusions.
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Post by Stealth on Oct 25, 2023 15:50:49 GMT 10
Update, so it seems they've also sent over 2x C130s and a 'significant number' of additional troops. But the Defence minister also wouldn't say what number 'significant' is. I dislike that word. Significant to who? To what? To a person who's used to a unit of 150 people, significant might be 30 bodies. To someone that's controlling the whole of the military, significant could be 2000 people. It's not going to be that many, but you get the idea.
The additional frames is interesting. Not 'this means something big' interesting. Just... Interesting. I wonder if they're slinging some more gear over that way.
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Post by tactile on Oct 25, 2023 19:59:14 GMT 10
We have a Wedgetail in Europe at the moment too...gone for 6 months to support Ukraine (remember them!). Lot of RAAF assets out of AU at the moment.
Israel threatening Russia, now the UN. Not sure if they are doing themselves any favours at the moment.
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Post by spatial on Oct 25, 2023 21:24:50 GMT 10
We have a Wedgetail in Europe at the moment too...gone for 6 months to support Ukraine (remember them!). Lot of RAAF assets out of AU at the moment.
Israel threatening Russia, now the UN. Not sure if they are doing themselves any favours at the moment.
There were Russian speaking persons on the first raid in Israel. They are getting hammered in Ukraine so perhaps want to open multiple fronts and get US attention elsewhere, China selling to both sides and buying cheap oil. Big party, there is going to be an accident and something is going to break and drag the world into chaos.
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Post by norseman on Oct 27, 2023 5:39:46 GMT 10
These fuggers always know more than they tell!
"Barnaby Joyce warns Israel-Hamas conflict could turn into 'possible nuclear war' "
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Post by malewithatail on Oct 27, 2023 6:59:01 GMT 10
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Post by malewithatail on Oct 27, 2023 10:16:38 GMT 10
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Post by malewithatail on Oct 27, 2023 12:58:36 GMT 10
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Post by Tim Horton on Oct 27, 2023 15:05:00 GMT 10
A 15 second thing on the news saying the US is diverting 155mm shells to Israel that were intended for the Ukraine...
I presume that will cause a kerfuffle among many on both sides of that..
Facts, details, rumors, thoughts ??
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