Beno
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Post by Beno on Mar 28, 2024 10:32:44 GMT 10
This looks interesting! Failing to effectively deal with typical unemployed/unschooled behaviour has reached crisis point. NT is a good testing ground for a range of social manipulations and experiments. It will be interesting if this is unrolled in other states to deal with similar issues.
Pros. Short term control of a feral population. businesses can breathe for 2 weeks. Local population less threatened for 2 weeks.
cons. typical band aid fix. will be $$$. will be deemed racist. not calling a spade a spade, UN will squark again. won’t solve a thing. won’t be enough room in lockups. Not targeted so even the good kids treated like trash because of an obvious group. You can’t be racist if you treat everyone like crap.
Thoughts?
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Post by spatial on Mar 28, 2024 10:58:32 GMT 10
Yip, heard about this on the way to work on ABC radio.... 58 additional police sent in, curfew for all persons under 18y from 6pm. Curfew is one step away from marshal law, many indigenous areas are currently no-go zones for ambulance and police, sets a precedence and Aus gov has lost control like a cancer it is spreading...: Get ready for state wide martial law when economy tanks. There has been calls for ADF to get involved, police don't have the resources!!! Alice Springs is just one of many towns that have the lawless problem but as a tourist destination it gets media and gov attention. Yip agree nothing will change. www.smh.com.au/national/what-s-happening-in-alice-springs-20240327-p5ffrt.htmlApart from Tuesday’s brawls, a series of violent incidents have taken place in Alice Springs in recent weeks, including on Saturday when a group of about 10 young women bashed and stripped a 16-year-old girl. Northern Territory police will send 58 additional officers to the town. There will be no criminal penalty for breaking the curfew, police said. Why are there calls for the federal government to be involved? ”Horrendous doesn’t cut it, but I have run out of words,” the town’s mayor, Matt Paterson, said on social media. He has previously called for federal help to tackle crime in the area
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Post by Beno on Mar 28, 2024 11:07:23 GMT 10
Go wild west and deputise good citizens, train them and allow good men and women with police oversight to get the wheels back on this sh!tshow. This crap needs a fundamental change to how the people can develop the solution not just .gov who are clearly incapable at this current time.
update. wow the term lethal force just used by top cop. also detectives now called in to help. I guess solving crimes now comes second to actually preventing them….sounds like proactive policing still has a place!
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Post by spinifex on Mar 28, 2024 14:57:23 GMT 10
I lived in Alice for 4 years back in the early 2000's when there was already a well known problem.
Curfew is Yet another bullshit "blanket" solution that penalizes lots of perfectly good kids for the deeds of a VERY EASILY IDENTIFIABLE sector of trouble-makers. I bet you dollars to dog-biscuits that the only curfew breakers locked up are NOT from the group of VERY EASILY IDENTIFIABLE trouble makers. If NT Police don't have resources to collect and lock up those doing actual crime ... why the hell extend their list of jobs? Another example of a senior knob-jockey letting loose a brain-fart.
I remember NT Police Commissioner saying "We cannot arrest our way out of this problem". I beg to differ. It would be literal childs play arresting that problem away.
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Post by spinifex on Mar 28, 2024 15:04:10 GMT 10
Alice is a good place for a prepper to go to experience living in a WROL scenario.
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Post by bug on Mar 28, 2024 16:58:18 GMT 10
Rarely mentioned are the effects of this on grey nomad caravanners. They are being specifically targetted. It has gotten so bad that caravan parks in the areas where the offenders are prevalent (hint: northern Australia) are resorting to razorwire fences. The current tactic is to drive a (Stolen) car to the door of the caravan/RV, locking the occupants inside whilst they ransack the car.
If this were random city dwellers carrying out this kind of activities, it would be national news. But it isn't.
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Post by Stealth on Mar 29, 2024 11:24:02 GMT 10
You know what's heartbreaking? The reason these kids are out and about and being hellcats is because they're not safe at home. They're not policed out and about so they can act on the behaviour that's modelled to them by their elders. So what are they going to do? Force them to be with the people that they're not safe with. Yep. That's a perfect solution.
It's disgusting. Kids don't start out smashing things up and looking for fights. They're just doing what they've been shown. The kids aren't the problem. The environment that teaches kids that this is the norm is the problem. Without getting into the race relations discussion too deeply, it's a view I've taken for a long time. White people once again ruining the cultural backbone that would allow for a solution. We don't allow them to use their own behavioural systems. Have you ever seen the look on a young fella's face when he's told that he's going to the big tree for men's business when he's been a turd? Most people haven't, because instead we send in a couple of cops for a talking to and then they're sent back home because it's not acceptable for white people to police indigenous folk, but indigenous folk aren't allowed to police their own because it's not OUR system. But you see one young lad being told that they're to go to the tree this afternoon and it's like the world has caved in on them.
I've seen a similar situation in Melbourne where the gangs of Somali kids run around doing whatever they like. We won't police them, but we also won't let their elders police them because it's not 'good enough' in our eyes.
We do this nonsense to ourselves.
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Post by bug on Mar 29, 2024 12:11:41 GMT 10
This might, just might, have something to do with the fact that they can't be removed from an abusive situation at home because those responsible are too scared of being told they are perpetuating the 'stolen generation.'
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Post by spatial on Mar 29, 2024 12:13:30 GMT 10
Faction fighting has been an indigenous culture since the beginning. It was just endless cycle of killing each other and starving till the Europeans came. Now it is Europeans hands off and cant take people out of their culture. There is no work ethics never been, so it is back to the old ways.
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Post by spinifex on Mar 29, 2024 12:33:51 GMT 10
The people most pissed off with the criminal miscreants are the large sector of their race who are hard working and decent folks. This doesn’t reflect well on them and they know it. Be nice if more of them could step up and push the rest into line. But it’ll never happen.
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Post by bug on Mar 29, 2024 13:21:03 GMT 10
The people most pissed off with the criminal miscreants are the large sector of their race who are hard working and decent folks. This doesn’t reflect well on them and they know it. Be nice if more of them could step up and push the rest into line. But it’ll never happen. Not a chance. Why do anything about 'disadvantage' when it is the basis of you getting free education (where everyone else pays), preferential entrance into university, preferential employment, increased welfare benefits etc. Far, far better off perpetuating the grift and living a comfortable life.
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Post by spatial on Mar 29, 2024 21:12:32 GMT 10
I left southern Africa due to this kind of behaviour. It is a good thing for me that they did not knock on my door.
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Post by malewithatail on Mar 30, 2024 8:29:48 GMT 10
Spatial, did you know of Barlow's Television Company in South Africa ?
I have a portable XCR 30 radio receiver, covers SSB and from almost DC to 31 megs in 31 1 megacycle bands, analogue but crystal locked and synthesized made in the 1970's by them and its a great unit.
It can hear almost anything on its internal 1 meter long whip aerial my big WW2 AR7 can on the 160 meter long wire aerial !
Its not really a bugging out radio as its in an all metal case, leatherette covered to make it look pretty, and heavy.
Do the things about which you will be proud when you are old.
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Post by bug on Mar 30, 2024 8:31:10 GMT 10
No consequences for the protected species.
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Post by spinifex on Mar 30, 2024 17:33:19 GMT 10
No consequences for the protected species. Correct. But there will be serious consequences for anyone who dares to protect themselves and their property from them.
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Post by Beno on Mar 30, 2024 17:52:56 GMT 10
They are using some form of emergency legislation (civil disorder) to enact this response. observe carefully cause all states possess this type of legislation. It’s mostly used for natural disasters but has very broad reach when you read into it. So far NT gov has resisted calls to bring in the military saying they can handle it. If they do end up using the military i’d like to be a fly on the wall once it is announced to them i’m hoping and expect there is zero enthusiasm.
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Post by Beno on Mar 30, 2024 17:53:25 GMT 10
double post.
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Post by spatial on Mar 30, 2024 22:01:05 GMT 10
They are using some form of emergency legislation (civil disorder) to enact this response. observe carefully cause all states possess this type of legislation. It’s mostly used for natural disasters but has very broad reach when you read into it. So far NT gov has resisted calls to bring in the military saying they can handle it. If they do end up using the military i’d like to be a fly on the wall once it is announced to them i’m hoping and expect there is zero enthusiasm. I did some riot control for the South African military in a very volatile township. They gave us 3hours of training (was still in basic training) set us in to make a perimeter around the township, instructed to let no one out. While police and other special units went in and searched every dwelling took like 18h, some of the guys I was with just fainted while standing upright. Only equipment was R1 rife (FN: 7.62x51mm NATO) and 40 rounds of ammo. Option's to respond are very limited. ie. to deadly force. Military law states if fired upon or attacked it is mandatory to fire back else you endanger others of your unit and degrade your projection of strength. The only reason they would use military if they run into a critical manpower shortage. Police across the country are understaffed and and Alice springs is not the only town with issues.
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Post by norseman on Mar 31, 2024 8:44:57 GMT 10
What is different? Remember Government filth and their Goon Squads did exactly the same thing in our East Coast cities in varying degrees for two years and was applied to innocent citizens just trying to survive day to day!
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Post by bug on Mar 31, 2024 9:04:19 GMT 10
What is different? Remember Government filth and their Goon Squads did exactly the same thing in our East Coast cities in varying degrees for two years and was applied to innocent citizens just trying to survive day to day! Shooting a grandmother with rubber bullets was deemed perfectly fine by the Victorian government and not at all newsworthy by the legacy media. But the slightest bit of police force against the chosen ones and it's national news.
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