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Post by wolfstar on Aug 9, 2014 11:57:57 GMT 10
Thing is, if it's an island it's not hard to avoid attracting attention from the main land while the population is small. So early days security would be not a huge issue in all likelihood. So I'd set up a patrol, mostly on the mainland side of the island.
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Post by wolfstar on Aug 9, 2014 11:17:50 GMT 10
Well much is variable. On what we have when we get there, resources there, the others there... That's why we would need to identify who can do what as early as possible. Setting up camp, foraging/hunting and a guard rotation would be 3 of my main priorities regardless.
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Post by wolfstar on Aug 9, 2014 10:44:23 GMT 10
Skills would need to be identified and jobs allocated accordingly.
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Post by wolfstar on Aug 8, 2014 20:39:59 GMT 10
I trying to get adults to play nerf wars lol. We have pretty epic NERF wars. Our families and a lot of our friends get in on the action as well... so damn fun! I used to do paintball, but this with a couple of families would be epic fun!
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Post by wolfstar on Aug 8, 2014 14:04:07 GMT 10
just thinking that if there are 2, if one gets attacked they can fall back to the secondary of need be, or if there is an outbreak of something etc, only half of the community is at risk not one. sort of like the old "dont put all your eggs in one basket" if you will, you know? plus its more achievable for the people who are farthest from the other end of Aus
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Aug 8, 2014 13:22:51 GMT 10
Post by wolfstar on Aug 8, 2014 13:22:51 GMT 10
idk, im thinking perhaps 1 main community is just not feasible? maybe 1 east coast, 1 west coast instead?
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Post by wolfstar on Aug 7, 2014 22:45:54 GMT 10
Awesome! I got a good giggle at you being called *Austin* though XD but I think you represented us quite well
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Post by wolfstar on Aug 7, 2014 22:34:13 GMT 10
That's actually part of my plan when rebuilding after shtf. I have and will further develop several skills to make my mind and hands far more valuable than any single item for trade like crochet, spinning yarn, through to horticulture.
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Post by wolfstar on Aug 7, 2014 21:19:58 GMT 10
I'm pretty leery about trading away ammo. Never give someone something they can kill you with. Fishing hooks and line would be ideal. And things like tea tree oil, metho. Antiseptic wipes. Baby wipes. Salt. Manual tools like drills, nails and screws.
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Aug 4, 2014 16:46:11 GMT 10
Post by wolfstar on Aug 4, 2014 16:46:11 GMT 10
if we were considering islands, there is one in sussex inlet that may be worth considering. or perhaps stradbroke island?
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Post by wolfstar on Aug 4, 2014 12:18:49 GMT 10
That could actually be feasible. ..
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Post by wolfstar on Aug 4, 2014 11:22:10 GMT 10
Staying above freezing also helps with food production
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Post by wolfstar on Aug 4, 2014 10:53:37 GMT 10
I dint really think there is a great deal they can help with survival wise, not until they're big enough to be a little more independent. Helping you pick up kindling and looking out for a couple of edibles are things she can do with you safely, but she will learn more just by being by your side watching you anyhow.
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Post by wolfstar on Aug 4, 2014 10:49:52 GMT 10
And that's how you quickly get back to greed and people having value based on what they have not what they can contribute.
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Post by wolfstar on Aug 4, 2014 9:06:53 GMT 10
But yeah, I believe that having an expectation that people do what they can is imperative, that said we would need to organize who does what initially so we dont end up with like twenty leather workers and no seamstresses/weavers etc, lol
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Post by wolfstar on Aug 4, 2014 8:37:57 GMT 10
Even they have skills they can contribute though, and I believe in others taking on things those people can't do. Like they can often no many crafts, things that take patience and skill, not muscle. There will be a need for thread and yarn for example, it isn't noisy or labor intensive to use a spindle. Nor to sew or crochet. Our perhaps they would help cook for any men who were laboring who didn't have a wife nor the time or energy to cook themselves. There is no reason for anyone to not find some way to contribute. Also, there's nothing saying there couldn't be a set up to help feed the infirm and unable.
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Post by wolfstar on Aug 3, 2014 21:12:26 GMT 10
Say I have a few bags of potatoes, and I would like a new pair of boots, but the cobbler doesn't want potatoes. I find someone who does, they find something the cobbler wants, brings me my boots, they get potatoes. All end up with what they want.
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Post by wolfstar on Aug 3, 2014 21:10:35 GMT 10
Well then he would take that value in clothes and trade with the person who has something he wants, or transfer the debt to the person he wants something off of.
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Post by wolfstar on Aug 3, 2014 19:18:16 GMT 10
I don't see how a society can function without some form of currency, unless you decide that all persons efforts are of equal value and all persons require the same level of possessions. In other words a form of Marxism From each according to his ability, to each according to his needI'm actually not opposed to that in many ways, but with human nature as it is I just can't see it ever working. Let's say person A does an 8-hour day and so does person B, but A is doctor and B is a hair dresser. Very few people would consider the contribution of both to be equal. It could work if the society was so rich that it could afford to give all members what they want in return for their input regardless of what that input was, and I think that was the idea of Marxism but old mate Marx had rose-coloured glasses on I think, and a post appoc world will not be a rich one. So let's then assume we need barter. I also don't see how that can work unless everybody has skills and/or goods that are roughly of equal (and low) value or somehow divisible. I'm a builder and you are a baker that needs a new shop, I build your shop, now what do you pay me with, 100,000 loaves of bread? 2 loaves a day for the rest of my life? It just can't work. Back to currency. What we don't need is a corrupt banking system, share markets that fluctuate on the comments of a single person, gambling on futures/derivatives/whatever. You do need a bank, maybe the mid-1800s western style where they were little more than a safe place to store your savings, although that was bad if the bank was robbed as everyone lost their cash...actually that's probably not much different to what will probably happen anyway, except we won't be able to ride after the bastards and string them up from a tree. It's called a barter system, both parties come to an agreement of the value of their goods, say, 8 hens for a cow. 3 pairs of boots for a bow. Things like that. Both parties bring something of value to the table the other is interested in, both walk away satisfied. It's been done by humans for the best part of history.
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Post by wolfstar on Aug 3, 2014 17:02:18 GMT 10
Another survival thing with kids, because they're at risk to fat more than us adults, is making sure that they know that they have a right to say no, and defend that decision to the teeth. Most child snatchings that fail are due to the child putting up too much of a fight, drawing too much attention. Make sure they know to yell and scream fire help, to bite and scratch and kick. Show them the vulnerable spots to target (face, throat and groin especially) and to never EVER give up. So much depends on the attitude. That was told to me in person by a afp investigator.
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