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Post by Nighthawk on Jun 19, 2015 21:57:22 GMT 10
The Traser and Luminox watches are great, but I can't justify the price when I can get a solar powered G-Shock for a quarter of the price. I've got too much else I need to buy to go all in on a mega-dollar watch. I have two solar powered G-Shocks and they're awesome.
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Post by Joey on Jun 19, 2015 22:08:53 GMT 10
And yes that is how good it looks after the daily abuse I give it. Albeit I only think about scrubbing it up maybe once a month and that's just running under the tap without soap or anything
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Post by shinester on Jun 20, 2015 1:20:03 GMT 10
Hey Shinester,as you have mentioned we have different classifications here in Aus compared to the US. In Aus we use the European Standards 143 which referes to masks as P1,P2 and P3 based on their ability to filter particulates at (80%, 94% and 99.97%) respectively. The US uses NIOSH standards which uses letters as a prefix (N= Not oil resistant, R=oil resistant, P=Oil proof) followed by the percentage of particles filtered. eg N95 (not oil proof filtering out 95% of particulates).Regards to which masks, that would rely on what you are preparing for and what you budget is. Remember, with all these masks they filter air through a membrane, so if you want 100% protection maybe go for a self contained breathing aparatus (joking but serious at the same time). Sure, got ya P2 is 94%, which is pretty similar to your 95% of N95 which is highly recommended for viral by various prepper channels etc. I've got a few already, some cheapo ones with no one way value as back up and some better ones with them as my main option. I was curious about whether you need active charcoal in the masks or not etc. Aka, what would your recommendations be for protection against viral infections? I would assume that they would also work with bacterial infections and dust. Perhaps with a couple of options/photos as I've been looking to upgrade my pandemic gear. I get that a full respirator is best, though perhaps a few different options and what one might be able to get from Bunnings. I'm glad someone tested them, lol. Though as it says the fit of the mask, the penetration and load characteristics are important.
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Post by Christos on Jun 20, 2015 15:02:31 GMT 10
Hey Shinestar, with regards to one way valves i have always been of the belief that they just help when exhaling to make the wearer more comfortably and keep them wearing the mask longer. In regards to charcol filter i have to the best of my knowledge never seen them used in a health setting, i always presumed they were more for vapor and gas exposure. My personal preference would be although expensive i would go with disposable P2 or N95 masks and throw them out after each use. With the article you posted all the viruses mentioned are spread via droplet transmission whcih means someone needs to have coughed within a few meters of you or you have touched something they have coughed the pathogen onto. Respiratory spread viruses such as tuberculosis can be spread from walking through a room several minutes after someone infected has coughed in it as they remain airborne aerasolised particles (difference between respiratory airborne vs droplet). No masks really work well when wet except for the NIOSH Oil proof models which are quite pricey. medshop australia sells boxes of 50 N95 for $75 but im sure you can find them cheaper else where. I hope this has helped.
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Post by shinester on Jun 20, 2015 17:16:38 GMT 10
Christos: Got ya, makes sense and thanks. Your preference info [P2] is helpful and I had collected the right masks. I would imagine that a well fitting masks are essential [not hospital type masks] and one way valves are more comfortable and to dispose of them after use.
Any suggestions on how long you can use them for? What about the eyes, do you need to protect them since transmission of influenza can apparently occur through them, if you rub your hand against them for instance?
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Post by australia on Jun 20, 2015 21:26:05 GMT 10
But if you want a touch knock around analogue watch, Traser or Luminox brand are the bomb, I used to have a Traser but it went missing (think the ex stole it) It has the tritium glow in it so it glows for like 10yrs and is (or was not sure if still done) the issue watch for the US special forces www.zenimports.com.au/products/outdoor/traser/c-25/c-365www.luminox.com/I have a traser H3 Long Life comes with 10 year lithium battery , top quality and worth the money . brushed stainless steel case, bezel made of carbon fiber with hours scale, sapphire crystal, water resistant to 20 bar, width 43 mm, height 11 mm, Nato strap, pin buckle, quartz movement, date display, anthracite dial, black hands, orange and white numbers and white indices innovative self-luminous trigalight technology, green and orange, central second hand Attachments:
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Post by Christos on Jun 22, 2015 19:09:38 GMT 10
Hey Shine, my preference would be P2 or similar masks, hospital or not they would be what i would use. As for eye protection, you can get masks with face shields or you can just wear a nice big pair of safety glasses. Transmission of influenza and any droplet viruses relies on contact with mucous membranes (eyes,nose,mouth). You have nose and mouth covered with mask so just safety glasses is all i have prepared with. You will undo all your good work if you rub your eyes with unprotected hands in this situation so dont take of any of your PPE untill you have washed your hands with soap and water. Those alcohol rubs are great, however have limited effectiveness to viruses. I would be throwing the masks after each use cause i any of the virus is present on the mask you will probably infect yourself putting it back on the next time.
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Post by shinester on Jun 23, 2015 14:35:17 GMT 10
Christos, quite sound information and thanks and I would imagine that P2 masks would last indefinably in storage and I use masks on occasion anyhow. I suppose throwing your safety glasses in a solution of bleach [such as diluted pool shock] and fishing them out later would be more than enough to take care of any lingering virus on the glasses.
So what I take from that is alcohol is effective [better than soap], so long as you get the concentrations up to about 90%. Do you think a bleach solution [pool shock] would be better?
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Post by Christos on Jun 23, 2015 20:13:11 GMT 10
Hey Shine, I only have seen up to 70% alcohol and would think that much higher would be quite flammable. I have heard that chlorine shock treatments would work and that is what i will be using. I still take from the article that soap and water is most effective, you dont want to be washing your hands with alcohol all the time as it will break down your skin and create portals of entry for viruses.
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Post by shinester on Jun 24, 2015 11:27:43 GMT 10
Rubbing alcohol [or even methylated spirits for that matter] often has very high percentages of alcohol, though you're right it would dry out the oils in the skin and obviously create potential problems. Highly flammable, yes and since vodka at 40% is lol, I would guess that 70% is also flammable. I think you're right, looking at this; I haven't read the whole paper but I think the conclusions are supportive of your contention. The best option would probably still be the surgical scrub containing 4% Chlorhexidine. Ultimately if thing were that bad, I'm staying inside and not exposing myself to anything for a few months
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Post by Christos on Jun 26, 2015 0:08:08 GMT 10
Lol, if things are that bad i agree, staying inside would be the best option for a short while.
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Post by graynomad on Jun 26, 2015 7:45:00 GMT 10
I live in the bush, if we get a pandemic I lock the gate and nobody in or out until maybe 3 months after it's burnt out, and hope the survivors aren't carriers and I then catch it anyway
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Post by Christos on Jul 5, 2015 22:51:58 GMT 10
Sounds like a fair plan there Nomad.
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Post by shinester on Jul 6, 2015 8:44:11 GMT 10
I live in the bush, if we get a pandemic I lock the gate and nobody in or out until maybe 3 months after it's burnt out, and hope the survivors aren't carriers and I then catch it anyway Indeed good plan.
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