plan Z

Personally I find the "rebuild" to be interesting. I kind of like the idea of a lower-tech society a la mid 1800s or earlier where I trade my fire pokers for new clothes or whatever. I know I look at it through rose-coloured glasses but it's possible it would be an interesting life.

That said I reckon most people (especially TPTB) will want to rebuild the old system, the very one that caused the problem in the first place. I think it's a golden opportunity to rethink and at least try to get it right, but unless Gov and all those involved with it are destroyed I think there's little chance of that.

You know damn well that the top pollies will survive, and by default they will become the new rulers, from there on it will be same old same old.

Yes, we need to pick the eyes out of the current system but ditch the bad parts, a simpler lifestyle with many of the 21st century benefits would be about perfect IMO. In fact that's what we can have now so I hope nothing does happen.

But by "many of the 21st century benefits" I do not mean iPads and GPS, I mean good health care and reliable vehicles etc. And by "ditch the bad parts" I mostly mean the incessant need for everything to expand, the overpopulation (I guess that would be taken care of), the corrupt leadership, the stupid banking system that's nothing more than a casino that uses our money...

And the chances of all this, two fifths of five eights of naff all, because greedy human nature will rule as is always has.

Talking just us as a group (ausprep)

And we have the option to build our own peace of Paradise...

Yep i understand some factors, like the type if disaster, and water and septic infastructure...

And my timeline could be miles out (could be 5 years till we are able to rebuild)

To the "civilization" type, im thinking more middle ages (of we build a paradise, someone will try and take it) and concepts of the time will provide a lot of protection

But all technolgy is welcome, (think of some kind of normality) but a simpler way of living (its not a rat race any more)

There are very few locations i can think of that are worth putting a new town/comunity into, as i would prefer a area that has a high likelyhood the local "population" wont be there, i dont want to take and secure land off people that struggled to survive

I support coin currency (gold/silver) only because it puts a fair value.... But even that idk

Free power, I love the concept of geo thermal power...

Outside islands and natural parks I can't think of a location worth investigation??

I think our "fantasy" location will define options

I love the concept also of 18c lifestyle, but it will have a massively modern twist,

At the moment just to keep the idea (we have roughly 150 members, and for a average "assumption" each repasents 2 faimlies of 5 so 1500 expected population just as a really rough idea, it gives a massive buffer/stragglers)

So a really hard one to play with, but for the type of disaster, go all worse case or any you can think of

Not prisons!! (Even walking dead showed the short comings)

The scale is more just a expected "best case" of survivers

Thats 100% of the board + faimly/friends lol

Zombie appoc i would seriously concider island living, something like stradbroke island (or both) with a massive fortafacation, (been zombies, magic shipping containers will do the job)

Prisons are in the way too hard basket, too hard to defend, too hard to avoid "undesirables" too not so unique (the idea is good, but every other walking dead fan has that as their "bol"

And you're restricted...

A prison is very easy to attack too, by people that think thet need it more than you, even "the govenors" plan of just a bus load of zombies into the prison is so simple and effective, with no excape rutes, your kinda on the back foot

For a scout/supply run, its a good location has a good chance of supplies, and easy to attack if were desperate enough lol

Next time you watch it, play a little game (hopefully PP plays with you) called pick the suicidal mistake

I don't see how a society can function without some form of currency, unless you decide that all persons efforts are of equal value and all persons require the same level of possessions. In other words a form of Marxism

From each according to his ability, to each according to his need

I'm actually not opposed to that in many ways, but with human nature as it is I just can't see it ever working. Let's say person A does an 8-hour day and so does person B, but A is doctor and B is a hair dresser. Very few people would consider the contribution of both to be equal. It could work if the society was so rich that it could afford to give all members what they want in return for their input regardless of what that input was, and I think that was the idea of Marxism but old mate Marx had rose-coloured glasses on I think, and a post appoc world will not be a rich one.

So let's then assume we need barter. I also don't see how that can work unless everybody has skills and/or goods that are roughly of equal (and low) value or somehow divisible. I'm a builder and you are a baker that needs a new shop, I build your shop, now what do you pay me with, 100,000 loaves of bread? 2 loaves a day for the rest of my life? It just can't work.

Back to currency.

What we don't need is a corrupt banking system, share markets that fluctuate on the comments of a single person, gambling on futures/derivatives/whatever. You do need a bank, maybe the mid-1800s western style where they were little more than a safe place to store your savings, although that was bad if the bank was robbed as everyone lost their cash...actually that's probably not much different to what will probably happen anyway, except we won't be able to ride after the bastards and string them up from a tree.

- after rereading my post I just wanted to explain something, when i say we cant participate in rebuilding efforts, i mean as part of the Ausprep group, as you guys will probably want to set up shop over east, obviously we would be doing our part over here .