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Post by firestorm on Aug 20, 2014 22:31:22 GMT 10
I have looked high and low for any info on what happens when a country is invaded by another and can find very little info on the subject and was advised that maybe I should create a thread for discussion so here goes.
Australia is invaded by "country of choice( be it china, iran or any other)" what happens to life as we know it?
Do we do like the movies "Tomorrow when the war began" and fight or do we lay down and take it?
How would life change for you and yours?
Are you prepared for a scenario like this?
If we are being invaded where do we go?
what happens to our politics other than it is gone?
what happens to our money our land and any other possessions that we have spent life times gathering?
Basically what do you think would happen and how likely do you think it is to happen?
I believe this is a very real and present danger and just want to know what you think you would do and how you would prepare for this scenario
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Post by You Must Enter A Name on Aug 20, 2014 22:36:49 GMT 10
The way the world is going, if they beat us and managed to subdue/round us up, maybe genocide? then again that would cost them a slave workforce.
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Post by remnantprep on Aug 20, 2014 22:41:16 GMT 10
Really great questions firestorm! I think we would be like the resistance, I don't think we would lay down and take it. We would become like the Australian version of the Viet Cong, guerilla warfare type of thing! I am preparing for this exact situation, and as for our possessions we need to loose our attachment to them! Besides if we don't kill them our animals will! haha
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Post by SA Hunter on Aug 20, 2014 23:02:09 GMT 10
I have looked high and low for any info on what happens when a country is invaded by another and can find very little info on the subject and was advised that maybe I should create a thread for discussion so here goes. Australia is invaded by "country of choice( be it china, iran or any other)" what happens to life as we know it? Do we do like the movies "Tomorrow when the war began" and fight or do we lay down and take it? How would life change for you and yours? Are you prepared for a scenario like this? If we are being invaded where do we go? what happens to our politics other than it is gone? what happens to our money our land and any other possessions that we have spent life times gathering? Basically what do you think would happen and how likely do you think it is to happen? I believe this is a very real and present danger and just want to know what you think you would do and how you would prepare for this scenario Great question. Really thought provoking. Me, I'm in my cams heading for the front line. I'd make sure the family were safe/secure/well fed/well watered before I left. Politics/Money/Possessions will mean nothing - the food re supply will grind to a trickle, riots, food rationing/food stamps. Sporadic electricity, if any at all. Depending where an invasion took place, a government moved from Canberra, or even in exile. If the country is overthrown/surrenders, then I'm a resistance fighter. As my Avatar quote says "Better to die standing up than to live on your knees".
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Post by Ammo9 on Aug 20, 2014 23:11:43 GMT 10
The Australians of today are mostly weak, pathetic, complainers who lack work ethic, physical and technical proficiency required for self-sustainment in a conflict zone let alone to be capable of combat, the ability to endure difficult times and stand up for what they believe.
I know, sounds like I hate Australia right... you couldn't be more wrong. I love Australia so much that I'm honest with my assessment of it's current condition because I know we can do better. We should be doing better. But we don't have to worry about an invasive army, we've stopped breeding, we're muzzling ourselves with things like political-correctness and allowing laws and regulations to be passed which take the fate of our country out of the hands of the people and put it into the elected oligarchy.
Don't worry about a foreign invasion in 10 years. The domestic terror threat will spew forth it's hate upon Australia again but this time it'll be born and bred here, and it'll happen a lot sooner than that.
Now for the purpose of the thread, if we're being invaded, it will be for our resources. And they will kill every last one of us, might sound defeatist but them's the breaks.
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Post by brad on Aug 21, 2014 1:09:17 GMT 10
SO if someone was going to attack Australia they would have a few options. First take out Papua New Guinea and use that as a base camp to build up the supplies or do the same in New Zealand or Timor. This would mean it is easier to access the Northern coast however with modern technology it is going to be pretty hard to do this quickly.
The biggest issues countries would have is the connections Australia has and the fact that we are basically in the middle of no where. By the time the set sail for Australia it would be picked up that there is a large convoy of ships. Submarines on the other hand would be able to get a lot closer however again it would be picked up pretty early, although the whole Malaysian airlines incident kind of puts that into question a little.
China has reason to protect Australia as they have a lot of investments here, that being said that could also be a good reason to want to expand and just take over. Russia, although they are powerful I doubt they would be interested in a country so far away from theirs. For a foreign country to take over Australia would be a pretty hard job, we are a large country, yes we have a small population in relation to other countries but we are spread out over a large space making it harder for one army to take total control. Japan, and South Korea have good reason to attack also as they need more land, they also have a pretty good path to get to us but again, if China saw there was a potential threat they may step in or alert us.
Really you should never rule out any country as a threat as anything could happen at any stage, for all we know the USA could want to attack Australia, I look at the country now! we are basically a mini USA following in their foot steps.
From another angle Australia is the best location to use as a base, we are in the right spot and have good protection, we are a large land mass in the middle of the ocean, we have access to the Indian ocean, South pacific, north pacific and the southern ocean without having to go past any country. You can see people coming and you can plan where and get the resources you need to arm your military.
So from that point of view I can see why the USA wants to be friends with us, also gives more reason to worry about them taking over. May not be a war, it may just be the government say "Oh by the way we are now ruled by the USA".
I believe there is more threat from the USA and the Australian government doing a deal and becoming part of the USA, I have zero confidence in the Australian government and wouldn't be surprised if they are looking at ways to either become a New America or becoming more attached in some way.
So to me the biggest threat is our own government and the USA.
Great topic firestorm, it is something that isn't really discussed, not sure why as it is a very important topic.
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Post by arklatex on Aug 21, 2014 1:46:44 GMT 10
I don't think the American people would stand for that. I can't speak for the government. If some craziness were to happen where the us was to take another country for expansion I'm thinking it would be Canada or Mexico. Or both. If Australia was attacked America has your back. We love Aussies. I have never once heard any American talk shit about Australia. The Aussies stereotypes I am familiar with: everything in Australia can kill you., the toilets flush backwards, all Aussies are like Steve Irwin or crocodile dundee, you all box with kangaroos... the list goes on but none of them are mean spirited like what we hear of the American stereotypes. Anyway, I don't think yall have anything to worry about from America. Except maybe becoming americanized in your culture.
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Post by Ammo9 on Aug 21, 2014 1:50:29 GMT 10
Don't take aussie 'mean spirited' stereotypes the way non-aussies do. I call my mates the C***s and S***heads and we'll all meet up regularly and spend hours in a bar, taking turns picking on what's wrong with each other and highlighting particularly embarrassing failures in their life. That's how we roll... if we don't like you, we'll be polite.
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Post by arklatex on Aug 21, 2014 2:10:15 GMT 10
That's awesome templar. Tell it like it is. Most Texans are like that too.
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Post by Ammo9 on Aug 21, 2014 2:11:57 GMT 10
Are you being polite? What'd I do wrong ya bastard?
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Post by arklatex on Aug 21, 2014 2:37:39 GMT 10
It all good ya crazy sum.
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Post by brad on Aug 21, 2014 3:22:26 GMT 10
ummmm, what about the vegemite??? I wouldn't say the American public would be all for it, I'm saying the government would be looking at something. If it is not a take over it could be Australia is the first country to join the Amero or something like that giving up power to a central government. One more step closer to the world government.
I don't think there would be a war, more of an announcement that this is happening now. Australians would be pretty pissed at the government if it was a sudden thing, so it would have to be over time, we are in the UN, world court so there would need to be something else to help take the next step forward. We are getting further into debt for no reason, making the country go into a FC would be a good time to turn around and say we have a solution, lets join the Amero, what could possibly go wrong. (cough Euro, Greece).
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Post by arklatex on Aug 21, 2014 5:03:38 GMT 10
I'm not sure that is possible. If America were to start the process of a NWO or try and lead a one world govt the Chinese would IMO shut us down. I'm no expert on the subject but I read somewhere that they could shut down our economy with a few mouse clicks. My understanding is that it has to do with all the debt owed them and they could make the dollar completely worthless.
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Post by StepfordRenegade on Aug 21, 2014 7:54:13 GMT 10
Personally I don't think outright war would be likely. I feel Australia would take too many resources to take and then would be too difficult to hold. I think something along the lines of political or economic sabotage would be more likely, something subtle that we don't notice until there's an uproar that's too late.
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Post by You Must Enter A Name on Aug 21, 2014 7:55:50 GMT 10
Back onto Australia being invaded and what would happen, Brad made some great points about them actually getting an army here and I guess allot of it depends on who the actual invader is, what if it's a cunning enemy and they just start sending hundred of thousands of soldiers here as immigrants and then one day they all "activate" to spread chaos while the militarised invasion force moves in?
As for Russia, they have huge problems growing south of them as it is.
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Post by remnantprep on Aug 21, 2014 9:43:45 GMT 10
Even if Australia is not invaded directly, all the conflicts occurring in the world, Asia, Middle East, Europe, USA, will cause issues with our export and import business. Think of all the cheap clothing we get from China etc. I think we would be fairly food self sufficient but other items may be an issue.
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Post by Frank on Aug 21, 2014 13:16:14 GMT 10
Great topic firestorm. So many options, scenarios etc that it is nearly impossible to cover them all. A few thoughts of mine regarding a more "traditional" invasion rather then terrorism...
- Most likely threat of invasion would be from a country (or perhaps a couple of countries if they were to team up) that are short on space, short on resources and have high populations. This could be China, Indonesia, Japan, the Koreas or a combination. I think we would be to far for Russians to really worry about invading (bombing is a different case though)
- Australia is a huge land mass, with bugger all in the middle, making a take over of the entire country difficult (I am guessing, I have no military knowledge haha)
- If an invasion was to occur it may only target a resource rich part of the country (WA or the top half of WA for example). Go for total control over part of the country, saving military resources from spreading thinly over the continent and use the fear of further military action to keep the rest of the country in line.
- In saying all that, a country like China (which has the number and military might to have a decent crack) doesn't need to invade to take over. They already own enormous amounts of land, resources and companies within Australia. Why risk damage and a drawn out war when they can just "buy" everything and take us economically?
Anyway that's probably enough dribble from me
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Post by arklatex on Aug 21, 2014 13:44:05 GMT 10
Well said Frank. Seems most of us agree that China has outwitted us. Those slick bastards. I believe religious war is another world threat to both Australia and America.
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Post by Nighthawk on Aug 21, 2014 14:08:28 GMT 10
Personally I think the two options most likely are a resources grab by China, or 'lebensraum' from somewhere like Indonesia. Both could seek total control, or just a particular area/state.
I don't know that we will ever see a 'religious' war here in Australia, but I certainly don't believe we will be immune from terrorist incidents. Given the IS edict, "Kill a Christian, go to heaven", what's to stop some impressionable young Muslim in Lakemba walking into a church and shooting it up? Makes me wish we had CCW laws here in Australia.
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Post by StepfordRenegade on Aug 21, 2014 14:24:01 GMT 10
Personally I think the two options most likely are a resources grab by China, or 'lebensraum' from somewhere like Indonesia. Both could seek total control, or just a particular area/state. I don't know that we will ever see a 'religious' war here in Australia, but I certainly don't believe we will be immune from terrorist incidents. Given the IS edict, "Kill a Christian, go to heaven", what's to stop some impressionable young Muslim in Lakemba walking into a church and shooting it up? Makes me wish we had CCW laws here in Australia. I've never heard of Lebensraum before, I had to look it up. I've heard the concept before, didn't realise it had a name!
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