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Post by captain on May 23, 2023 18:02:26 GMT 10
Not quite sure how you come to that conclusion. Maths doesn't lie, but maths can be calculated incorrectly. Your statement would only be accurate if China's population diminished by 10% each and every year for 100 years. However, it is highly unlikely for any country to experience such a decline in population for such a sustained period of time. There are issues in demographics that effect a country more than just population decline, like having more older people - where the younger people have to support an ageing demographic and you dont have many young people coming through to do it! This is catastrophic to a country where the elders drain the resources and add nothing. Its not linear either...
This why we are opening the flood gates to immigrants, the same thing is happening here to a lesser degree.
Another thing to consider is the health of the population too. Watch for a substantial increase in cancers and other respiratory issues in China over the next few years - due to the pollution, quality of food and the lifestyles. China is not a healthy place for many reasons, and this will greatly affect them as a country in years to come. |
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Post by frostbite on May 24, 2023 10:15:24 GMT 10
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Post by malewithatail on May 24, 2023 10:19:39 GMT 10
With the woke Government in USA, It may not be a good move to trust it.
Ive had my patience tested...I failed !
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Post by Joey on May 26, 2023 17:33:08 GMT 10
Meanwhile in the US...
30tonnes of ammonium nitrate mysteriously disappeared off a train carriage between stops
50 US senators have been given satellite phones for "security measures"
Microsoft claims that China has recently hacked into a bunch of US critical infrastructure
High-level US senators are "holidaying" with their families at undisclosed "continuity of government" safe places for the Memorial Day Weekend.
US gov just purchased $290m worth of anti-radiation pills
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Post by Stealth on May 26, 2023 17:49:37 GMT 10
Nothing sus.
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Post by Joey on May 31, 2023 11:44:19 GMT 10
China beign as$hole again like they did to our orinions last year. I saw the video filmed by the flight crew from this incident and the fighter wasn't too far in Fri t of the US plane.  |
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Post by tactile on May 31, 2023 16:13:53 GMT 10
I wonder what China would do if we just shot it down? Would they go postal? I bet they wouldn't.
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Post by Joey on May 31, 2023 17:53:03 GMT 10
I reckon it would be on like donkey kong if all this "buzzing" the Chinese jets are doing or like they did to our ejecting chaff into the engines actually caused one of the planes to crash.
I reckon China is doing it on purpose to provoke a armed response like they do by constantly breaching the Taiwan airspace just waiting for them to launch their air defenses to kick things off
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Post by frostbite on May 31, 2023 18:28:45 GMT 10
Maybe those surveillance ‘right of passage’ flights should have a fighter escort. Give the yanks a reason to put an aircraft carrier in the area and give some fighter jock the opportunity to go inverted and give the chinese the bird.
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Post by Stealth on Jun 1, 2023 10:13:52 GMT 10
They're absolutely doing it intentionally to provoke, and postal doesn't begin to describe what the response would be if 'we' dropped a Chinese bird. Chinese pilots are very well trained and don't make a single move without top cover. That's their whole military's shtick, and their country in general. So I strongly suspect that these kinds of acts have been ratified probably up to the top levels before they take place. They're cautiously poking the bear to try to get an excuse to not be responsible for the outbreak of an active war. They won't be afraid to pull back for a while just so that they can say "Oh no, it was an accident! We didn't mean it! But your pilot shouldn't have been there anyway, so really this is your fault". From my understanding there's very little freedom that the lower levels of the Chinese military have to make snap decisions to do anything aggressive.
Sadly they can't have an escort. For two reasons, it's probably tough to be spooky if you have a babysitter. But also that would be a significant increase of threat as far as China is concerned. Surveillance flights aren't armed and therefore can't be fired on unless there's already direct conflict. At least, that's how China views it. And they're right. That's why they try to bring birds down with unsafe manoeuvres. Because they didn't fire anything so it's all plausible deniability as far as they're concerned.
But anyway, my point is that if you put a pointy bird next to a surveillance bird, you're suddenly flagging that it's ok to light both up if one of them even begins to look angry with your behaviour. And I agree that the second one of them actually releasees anything that requires targeting all hell will certainly break loose and WW3 will officially begin. That's why it won't happen until either war has been declared, or one of them chooses that now is the time to actively declare war. We don't do direct war anymore. Everyone seems to much prefer all proxy wars and quiet interventions. So something active like that is messaging that "It's onnnnn boiiiiiiiz".
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Post by tactile on Jun 1, 2023 12:52:14 GMT 10
I disagree, I think it's all bluster. They have way more to loose than us. Totalitarian systems value strength above all else. Escort them with F35s or F22s and splash one of these clowns if the do it again...I bet they would do nothing.
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Post by Stealth on Jun 1, 2023 14:49:08 GMT 10
I don't make bets on what others will do because there's always that one time where someone who thinks differently gets hold of the keys. So ultimately you could be right and they might do absolutely nothing if another superpower shoots down one of their jets. We won't know until it happens. But there's plenty of documented instances of Chinese elements doing far more than 'nothing' when they decide it's time to take advantage of their position and they have to defend their claim to something. Vietnam's islands in the 70s strikes the most recent kinetic instance that involved an opposing military force, but I'm sure I could find several more and far more recent events if I had the energy. I tend to base my assumptions on what they've done in the past when confronted with similar situations.
And "They won't do anything because they're scared of the US" is a fundamental flaw in logic. They easily equal the US militarily now. They wouldn't be picking a fight with a stronger country. If I had to adjust that thought process I'd change it to "They're CAUTIOUS of the US'. But scared? Not even a little bit. Otherwise they wouldn't be buzzing US military aircraft in the first place.
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Post by tactile on Jun 1, 2023 18:00:07 GMT 10
Their military isn't even on the same planet Stealth.
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Post by bushdoc2 on Jun 1, 2023 21:26:47 GMT 10
I don't make bets on what others will do because there's always that one time where someone who thinks differently gets hold of the keys. So ultimately you could be right and they might do absolutely nothing if another superpower shoots down one of their jets. We won't know until it happens. But there's plenty of documented instances of Chinese elements doing far more than 'nothing' when they decide it's time to take advantage of their position and they have to defend their claim to something. Vietnam's islands in the 70s strikes the most recent kinetic instance that involved an opposing military force, but I'm sure I could find several more and far more recent events if I had the energy. I tend to base my assumptions on what they've done in the past when confronted with similar situations. And "They won't do anything because they're scared of the US" is a fundamental flaw in logic. They easily equal the US militarily now. They wouldn't be picking a fight with a stronger country. If I had to adjust that thought process I'd change it to "They're CAUTIOUS of the US'. But scared? Not even a little bit. Otherwise they wouldn't be buzzing US military aircraft in the first place. As far back as at least the 1970s, they took on Russia in the Damsky Island business.
They are not scared of Russia, but may not want to provoke the Bear nor the Eagle, while they can make money/gas/oil/forestry from either or both.
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Post by norseman on Jun 2, 2023 4:55:25 GMT 10
I don't make bets on what others will do because there's always that one time where someone who thinks differently gets hold of the keys. So ultimately you could be right and they might do absolutely nothing if another superpower shoots down one of their jets. We won't know until it happens. But there's plenty of documented instances of Chinese elements doing far more than 'nothing' when they decide it's time to take advantage of their position and they have to defend their claim to something. Vietnam's islands in the 70s strikes the most recent kinetic instance that involved an opposing military force, but I'm sure I could find several more and far more recent events if I had the energy. I tend to base my assumptions on what they've done in the past when confronted with similar situations. And "They won't do anything because they're scared of the US" is a fundamental flaw in logic. They easily equal the US militarily now. They wouldn't be picking a fight with a stronger country. If I had to adjust that thought process I'd change it to "They're CAUTIOUS of the US'. But scared? Not even a little bit. Otherwise they wouldn't be buzzing US military aircraft in the first place. As far back as at least the 1970s, they took on Russia in the Damsky Island business.
They are not scared of Russia, but may not want to provoke the Bear nor the Eagle, while they can make money/gas/oil/forestry from either or both.
In this crazy, farked up World right now if Russia got too out of control China and USA could always join up and steamroll them, like any thing is possible! Once the Radioactivity settled down they could go halves in all the vacant resource rich territory. |
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Post by bushdoc2 on Jun 2, 2023 19:30:00 GMT 10
China won't go halves. They believe they are the chosen ones. Bit like USA.
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Post by Stealth on Jun 4, 2023 13:16:42 GMT 10
 For anyone that's not really looked too much into it, this has happened before but it's fairly uncommon for them to brave enough to do it against a US Destroyer. They generally tend to hang back and shadow them just close enough to get a message across, but just far enough away to not get into hot water. Occasionally they pull this kind of stunt but it's decently rare. If we see an uptick in this you can probably assume that they're getting antsy. "We're going to sail in front of you, and when you hit us in the least possible damaging spot that we've carefully calculated our speed and course to ensure that that's the spot you'll hit, we'll be able to claim that it was all your fault. You were acting aggressively, and we simply defended ourselves". It would be folly to think that they weren't prepared for an altercation if they misjudged the Chung-Hoon's ability to manoeuvre out of the way, or if they simply didn't follow their normal behaviour and kept steaming right on ahead. They've done it before to US vessels, but it's generally something reserved either for smaller nations or 'Chinese fishing vessels' against other smaller vessels. Pretty rare for them to do it against larger nations let alone the US. I had one eyebrow raised until I saw the below; China seeks dialogue, says clash with U.S. would be 'unbearable disaster'Old mate showed up in uniform. That's a very loud, if unverbalised, message/warning. That message is a pretty clear "We're trying to be the bigger guys but if a war starts it's the US that caused it". Once again, China proving that they'll play the long game to avoid the generational shame that is starting an unjustified war, but pretty darn keen to get amongst it if given the excuse that it wasn't their fault. Just one more piece in the puzzle. If it happens again in the next say, 8 weeks, I'll raise my other eyebrow. |
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Post by Joey on Jun 4, 2023 20:31:56 GMT 10
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Post by malewithatail on Jun 5, 2023 8:25:17 GMT 10
"Falling on deaf ears in the government, which is set on gutting the ADF while forcing a woke agenda destroying morale."
Add to this the edict from higher ups, in the RFS that all members must disclose their jab status, or they will have to leave. I told them that was information known only to me and my doctor, and so I was told to leave, after nearly 50 years service. Ive since found out that around 30 % of members have been forced out. Add to this that those still there are not getting younger (and my daughter who was training had to leave as well), then you'd better have your own fire protection gear, hoses, truck/trailer with a large tank on it, pumps, tools and knowledge. Add roof sprinklers to outbuildings and your house/sheds as well.
I was talking to the captain of the brigade the other day, and they now have trouble getting two or three to turn out, and he has attended several car accidents as the only one.
Get prepped people for fire.
Never believe anything from the Government, until it as been denied strenuously.
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Post by frostbite on Jun 5, 2023 10:21:05 GMT 10
If ADF treated their personnel better they wouldn’t have the retention problems that currently exist. It’s not rocket science that when you go out of your way to annoy your troops with crap postings that they will take up the much better money offered on civil street.
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