bushdoc2
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Post by bushdoc2 on Jun 29, 2021 22:14:57 GMT 10
No problem with masks, but people not used to wearing them will constantly fidget, adjust and thus touch their unwashed hands to their unwashed faces, which defeats the purpose.
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Post by myrrph on Jun 29, 2021 23:50:21 GMT 10
interesting topic. only thing to show is this.
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Post by Stealth on Jun 30, 2021 13:33:39 GMT 10
He had way too much fun with that. Love it hahahahaha. Interestingly I've found that I feel far more 'secure' in my home made mask. It's double lined calico and quilting cotton, and I've noticed that when I breath in and out I get the cloth suctioning in and out slightly. I was told by a doctor that the most effective masks do that, it indicates a better seal and tighter weave of cloth obviously prevents more spit/sneeze grossness from getting through. I don't get the same effect with disposable masks so while I suspect they're absolutely better than nothing I'm pretty sure that there's more protection from my home made version. I'll have to break out the sewing machine again soon though, the better half has requested a mask that will accommodate his beard as the standard ones require that he folds it up into all sorts of weird shapes inside of the mask. Apparently getting a mouthful of beard every time you try to talk is also pretty inconvenient. Who knew?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2021 17:03:02 GMT 10
I have plenty of N95's (and previously advised stocking them back in 2013) and we use them whenever we head into town. I was pro-mask before the pandemic, as the pandemic kicked off (when the powers that be were anti-mask) and am still so.
BUT, I am against mandating mask use. Authoritarian measures just generate needless opposition and suspicion, and it hasn't helped that the "powers that be" haven't been able to lie straight in bed since this all kicked off.
N95's used under 4 hours and not re-used or refitted, are very useful. The typical mask regime of re-using and refitting generic masks until they fall apart... is about as hygienic as strapping a teenage boys sock to your face.
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Post by frostbite on Jul 2, 2021 7:26:08 GMT 10
Can someone who hasn't swallowed the Koolaid answer this question:
If masks protect us from Covid transmission, why do those who wear them, like hospital and aged care staff, need to be vaccinated?
Does the mask work or not?
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Post by norseman on Jul 2, 2021 7:37:53 GMT 10
Can someone who hasn't swallowed the Koolaid answer this question: If masks protect us from Covid transmission, why do those who wear them, like hospital and aged care staff, need to be vaccinated? Does the mask work or not? Yes the mask does work! It's a training aid employed by the Stasi to create compliant citizens, similar to those electronic collars they put on barking dogs to quieten them down!
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Post by norseman on Jul 2, 2021 7:49:13 GMT 10
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Post by norseman on Jul 2, 2021 7:57:59 GMT 10
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9744063/Anti-masker-dragged-Parramatta-Westfield-refusing-wear-face-covering.htmlIn Darwin on Wednesday, an 'arrogant' café patron was fined $5,000 after he claimed the 'Constitutional Act of Britain' meant he was exempt from wearing a mask. Britain famously does not have a written constitution. The man, 36, was approached by officers in a Harriet place coffee shop in Darwin's CBD after he failed to wear a mask. The customer was consequently issued the whopping fine, with Northern Territory police warning the general public against such 'arrogant behaviour'.Police lecturing citizens against arrogant behaviour is pure GOLD!
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Post by frostbite on Jul 2, 2021 8:31:44 GMT 10
The only benefit that I can see is I'm getting a lot further with the ladies when I wear a mask.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2021 10:25:16 GMT 10
You can't really find objective information about mask use with covid - it become a political issue on day 1. Even many of the science/medical professionals are too invested ideologically to be relied on for objective answers.
What I did way back at the start was look at studies and reviews of mask use to control influenza spread. At a lower level, and airborne virus is an airborne virus and the correct PPE use should be similar. There are decades of research from all over the world on mask use for influenza that hasn't been tainted by all the bullshit politics, lying and fear mongering we have with covid.
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Post by Stealth on Jul 2, 2021 12:30:27 GMT 10
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9744063/Anti-masker-dragged-Parramatta-Westfield-refusing-wear-face-covering.htmlIn Darwin on Wednesday, an 'arrogant' café patron was fined $5,000 after he claimed the 'Constitutional Act of Britain' meant he was exempt from wearing a mask. Britain famously does not have a written constitution. The man, 36, was approached by officers in a Harriet place coffee shop in Darwin's CBD after he failed to wear a mask. The customer was consequently issued the whopping fine, with Northern Territory police warning the general public against such 'arrogant behaviour'.Police lecturing citizens against arrogant behaviour is pure GOLD! If you're going to use legislation at least choose the actual genuine document that really exists for the country that you currently reside in, sheesh . frostbite's use of commonwealth related documentation is in my opinion appropriate and well researched. While I enjoy the sly temptation to roll my eyes at the stubborness implicit in the effort (no ill will, I smile as I roll them lmao) he used a REAL piece of legislation that applies to both the country that he resides in and himself as a citizen. There is a solid, defensible argument there. We're not British. Even if said document existed, which it doesn't, it wouldn't apply to us anyway. Commonwealth legislation does however as we're citizens of the Commonwealth. So yeah. Arrogant or stupid. Either one seems ill advised when you're faced with a bunch of folks who can forcefully make you change your behaviours. Picking your battles sometimes lets you live another day to fight a bigger battle and if every little thing in your life becomes a battle you get worn down pretty quickly. Mind you I'd be interested to know what the rules are up there. For example in our area at the moment (and I'd say most by the sounds of it) you're exempt from wearing a mask while eating and drinking. If he was at a cafe eating or drinking, why not use THAT as your reason for exemption? Like, talk about taking the hard road hahaha.
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Post by Stealth on Jul 2, 2021 12:37:14 GMT 10
You can't really find objective information about mask use with covid - it become a political issue on day 1. Even many of the science/medical professionals are too invested ideologically to be relied on for objective answers. What I did way back at the start was look at studies and reviews of mask use to control influenza spread. At a lower level, and airborne virus is an airborne virus and the correct PPE use should be similar. There are decades of research from all over the world on mask use for influenza that hasn't been tainted by all the bullshit politics, lying and fear mongering we have with covid. Unfortunately this is true. There's only so much people can hear/research before they decide on their own stance and then rarely shift from it. I think the cheap medical masks are, for the most part, not doing enough. I think that people who don't wear masks of any type properly are wasting everyone's time. I think that homemade masks are (for the most part) the best option if they're heavy cotton, made with two layers with a pocket for a filter or three layers if not filtered. N95s are the ultimate, but most people can't get a hold of those now. BUT I also think that they have a significant mental impact too. There's a large chunk of the population who're anxious or concerned about covid, and seeing people wearing masks probably helps their mental state. I don't think that does anything AT ALL for the spread situation, but it's another impact that perhaps some people don't consider because it's not something they normally deal with. I also saw heaps of people down at the shops today. School holidays are popping off. Almost everyone was wearing masks, but no one was sanitizing their hands when going from store to store. A lost opportunity. So ultimately, do I think masks make a significant impact? Yes. Am I concerned that skepticism, laziness, and pandemic fatigue are having just as big an impact? Sadly, yes. I think if you can just not be around people you're in the golden zone. I'm jealous of those who're able to be properly socially isolated because then it's just not a problem!
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Post by blueshoes on Jul 2, 2021 14:29:34 GMT 10
N95s are the ultimate, but most people can't get a hold of those now. That's probably true, but just as an aside, Bunnings in Victoria had non-sterile N95s at 5 for $1 last week.
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Post by Stealth on Jul 2, 2021 20:08:05 GMT 10
I checked mine yesterday. Just called, wasn't going to brave the store. They're tapped out. Ordering more of course, but I was too slow it seems. I'm going to wait until this most recent outbreak calms down and stock up on them again. I have a few held in reserve for emergencies. In the car, medical kit etc. etc. but I find my home made ones are pretty darn effective. So much so that I struggle to breath in them lol.
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Post by myrrph on Jul 2, 2021 20:18:12 GMT 10
think the video demonstrates why you need to wear masks.
with 1 layer - less than 10% chance of getting it if exposed (think its 3 or 5%)
with 0 layer (aka no mask) - 90% if in an enclosed area (like bus)
I have been exposed a few times in Singapore and still negative (touch wood!). We wear a dual layer home made mask with a tissue paper filter with essential oil (EO). Some times, when I'm out when I'm at a hospital for my medical appointment or my mom's, I will wear a surgical mask + home made cloth mask with EO. We also sanitize our hands aggressively with hand sanitizer with min 70% alcohol content.
the mask wearing narrative is _not_ about government telling you what to do, limit your freedom and what-not. Its more about you not spreading if you are infected, and you not catching from virus in the air. If you wear a mask chance to catch it is 3-5%. If you sanitize your hand aggressively, it dropped to almost zero.
And to ask frontliners with full PPO not to vaccinate to prove a point, is downright selfish. These people have personal lives which are spent outside the hospital, where they have a chance of catching it. Also. I frankly don't think a front-liner would want to wear full PPO when out shopping for grocery. And since they are front-liners, means they help those who are infected, they should be the _first_ to be vaccinated.
But no matter what I say, make sense or not, if you don't wanna wear a mask for your own sake or others, for whatever UFO-Agenda21-illuminati conspiracy theory. Do what you feel is responsible. Your life is your own, and if you feel in your own moral code you are being responsible. So be it.
I will wear the mask when I am out of the house, not because I am sheeple but because in the event I am infected, I do not want to infect others. Thats my moral code.
I don't intend to debate about this, so I will leave this here as it is. I rather let de-bait be the thing I catch the fish with. /end rant.
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Post by lonewolf on Jul 3, 2021 2:06:35 GMT 10
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Post by norseman on Jul 3, 2021 5:07:19 GMT 10
Yesterday our $650k a year Police Commissioner publically announced his pending retirement! Check out the cultural legacy he leaves behind:-
The woman filming asks these B Graders "who are you acting for the people or your Government?" she is then immediately arrested with equal aggression!! This level of violence against citizens over mask wearing is just plain wrong!
We all know this is fully driven and directed by NSW Politicians and Senior Public Serpents for pure political expediency, however it's just plain scary how readily NSW "Finest" are prepared to turn total arse puppet when their Political Paymasters demand it!
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Post by norseman on Jul 3, 2021 6:19:33 GMT 10
NSW Police going political arse puppet over masks again! Even the lawyer says it's the cops breaking the law not the girl! Why can't that cop be charged with theft of her property?
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Post by malewithatail on Jul 3, 2021 8:03:27 GMT 10
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Post by spinifex on Jul 3, 2021 8:45:19 GMT 10
"Primed to die"
Sounds like a great name for a Death Metal band !!!
Or ... the last words shouted before making a spirited bayonet charge against entrenched machine guns covered by minefields and barbed wire !!!
If we get in a war with China ... I'm writing that on my helmet!!!
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