Russia to invade Ukraine

The Russian media coverage on the League incursion is very laughable.   We do live in an age of information and information war.  Read an article today saying the cyber war between Russia and Ukraine is very intense and at a scale never seen before.  No wonder all the hacking of large corporations and blackmailing's to get systems up and running again, has seemed to of died down. 


Russian residence still reporting gunfire and artillery fire, posting on social media, evacuating towns.  League military driving around in more towns.  The Russians Military reporting all the terrorists have left, such blatant reporting - they give up any creditability they had..

Yip,

The Russian psyche only had faith in one thing that was their military.  They know their gov is corrupt.  Russians have more video cameras on their cars than any other nation.  Due to corruption in the courts etc...  Putin has steadily allowed the Russian economy to grow and people to get wealthier..  Much slower rate than would of naturally occurred in a free society, they cant see that so Putin  gets lots of support. 

A sound military defeat of Russian military would be his end, as such many military annalists are saying there is no end to the war, the Ukrainians will fight to the last a very stubborn people.  
The West cant let Russia win as he will keep going to other nations.  Everyone is fed up with the war and want it to stop as the refugees in Europe causing a big problem and cost of energy causing factories to go broke. 

It only ends badly with biological, nuclear war, EMP bombs to take out critical infrastructure. 2 EMP bombs above the USA would take out the US, power grid, internet and flow of goods, the riots and looting would end the country without Russian even having to shoot one bullet. The only good nuke the US have are on subs,  and the revenge would be bad for Russia.   

The USA is a political tinder box and not going to last long, I don't think they make it through next years elections.  That is if the economy can hold up till then...

"Once a country becomes recognized as an individual state with its own governance system that's accepted by the majority you don't get to decide that you want it back."

The acknowledgement of the standing of the country is the question. Australia is universally acknowledged as being a sovereign country, but Ukraine wasn't.

The Ukraine's roots with Russia go back much, much further than the 200 + odd years we go back to Britain.

I suppose it comes down to a countries history and the way the world views its sovereignty.







My wife thinks im crazy, but im not the one who married me.

The pile-on to become independent from the Russian empire after the Soviet Union collapsed should tell you everything you need to know about where these people want to be.

All these pro-Russian, Russian morons I know here cant get their heads around why they are HERE IN MELBOURNE! Most of them are here because their parents didn't want them drafted into the Chechen war decades ago...sound familiar?

I dont get this kinship with your old country when you've fled from its crap! The Serbian & Croat guys I used to shoot with at the pistol club went back to fight in the Balkans war (I wouldn't of let them back if it was up to me), I dont see any loyalty to the west at all when they do this crap.

Maybe it dissipates after a few generations but I suspect this European thing will never end.

I didn't think it was actually ratified. It was a treaty and further discussion was needed. Russia recoqnised the right to independence but was it ever actually granted ?







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I bet they wish they had as well. A nuke on Moscow would wake them up !





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Last I saw he was in hospital after a meeting with Putin. "Nothing sus". Wonder if anyone's made a withdrawal from the bank of Novichok recently.

Well yes they would do, Ukraine wasn't recognised as an individual nation until 1991. Given that the Chernobyl incident was in the mid-80s, it was probably far easier to say that you were Russian than Ukrainian (which again, wasn't a recognised nation in the world arena yet) to your average Aussie who had no concept of that region and its ownership struggles. I imagine explaining that over and over to your average clueless skip would get old fast. Not to mention that a lot of people treat being Russian as an ethnicity identity over there, rather than just specifically the country that you have citizenship in. It's a bit like a Thai or swedish person saying "I'm Asian". Well sure, that's your blood history, but your actual citizenship has very little to do with that.

I'm not saying there aren't any people that have citizenship in Ukraine that see themselves as and call themselves Russian. But just like there's Australians who call themselves Scottish because their grandparents came from there, that doesn't make them citizens of Russia. Ethnically, sure. But not legally.

That being said I'm not going to pretend that I know for certain whether or not those people you spoke to were referring to themselves ethnically or geographically (or whether or not it was purely for the sake of simplification). Obviously I wasn't there. Just putting a different perspective on it.