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Post by bug on Sept 17, 2022 9:05:01 GMT 10
It shows what an absolute rock many Australians are living under, when someone running an extension lead out to their car gets a headline of "...bizarre..." attributed to it. The guy has clearly done this because he's happy to wait for a longer charge time, and doesn't want to install a fast charger (either at home or a mate's place, wherever that is.) They've even done the right thing and put a kind of cable cover where it crosses the footpath.
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Post by Joey on Sept 18, 2022 18:21:56 GMT 10
I read somewhere that house insurance companies are starting to exclude coverage of fires caused by EV being charged in the garage or driveway, as well as body corporates putting bans in place for EV charging in unit complexes. Much like most insurance companies removed coverage of damage from "terrorist events" right after 911
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Post by Tim Horton on Sept 19, 2022 1:44:43 GMT 10
Saw a short video saying Trudeau is starting to push an agenda for "electric airplanes".... This initial focus supposedly being in the 30 or so seat size that is a very popular feeder aircraft used here to provide access to and connecting flights to more major hubs.. Our airport here in Pot Hole City has about 5-10 flights a day of this size aircraft depending on the season of the year.. The article referring to these aircraft as "Trudeaus Flying Coffins"
I've read it cost on an average of $2500 for a (North America) homeowner to install what is needed to charge a car. I presume this is at 240 volts, 30 amp rate, this to provide a useable turn around charge time for average daily use.. This as it seems a 120 volt, 15-20 amp circuit takes an exceptionally long time to charge.. Does not surprise me insurance companies are starting to put restrictions on charging electric cars..
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Post by norseman on Sept 19, 2022 2:04:17 GMT 10
So what is the difference between that and running a lead out to a caravan that is parked on the street or kerb….. My real point with this was how long before the non EV driving neighbour dobs him into the jackboots (choose your flavour) or like some farkwit copper or council worker comes along and books him for something.
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Post by Tim Horton on Sept 19, 2022 9:15:43 GMT 10
My real point with this was how long before the non EV driving neighbour dobs him into the jackboots (choose your flavour) or like some farkwit copper or council worker comes along and books him for something. --- If I translate what you said... Maybe as much as 5 minutes or less before he is turned in to someone... And according to some of the latest info, another 5 minutes before his homeowner insurance cuts him off.. About right ?? ??
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Post by ausprep130 on Sept 19, 2022 10:43:50 GMT 10
And then he'll be forced to buy an approved charger from Tesla and that will need 3 phase power and then servicing every 3-6 months by Tesla technician. Nothing stays cheap for long.
I recall when septic tanks were phased out in favour of water treatment systems. A septic tank was one of cost to buy/install, then periodical empty once every 2-3yrs for about $300. Water treatment systems cost as much as $10k to install then require regular inspection every 2-3 months at a cost of approx $200-300 per inspection. But the later is allegedly more "green".
Anyway, back to EV. They have been promoted as the holy grail and the answer to all our environmental "problems". However I feel these environmental "problems" are being talked up to scare the masses into spending money which makes the rich richer, and the rest of us more dependent. Fear is the greatest way to sell something.
At first glance EV sound like a great idea ie: "cheap to run" and "green" but they won't be cheap for long, and "green" is debateable considering the environmental costs to manufacture the cars and batteries and the on going environmental impact to charge them - it will be decades before sustainable energy will be able to provide all the power for EV but by then the batteries will be unserviceable and we may even run out of lithium before then anyway.
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Post by Joey on Sept 19, 2022 17:40:41 GMT 10
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Post by Tim Horton on Sept 20, 2022 7:20:21 GMT 10
Joey... The link provided is interesting.. I have wondered how many tons, 10s of thousand tons, millions of tons of overburden and mineral bearing stock it takes to make a kilo of battery...
How many kilo is the average car battery pack ?? ??
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Post by norseman on Sept 20, 2022 8:31:53 GMT 10
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Post by bug on Sept 20, 2022 8:44:20 GMT 10
This is a very interesting topic. In general, support for EVs is divided upon political lines. Not economic ones and certainly not prepping ones.
Conservatives tend to be very in favour of national security, yet on this topic would prefer to remain at the whims of middle eastern despots and hoping China doesn't get mad enough at us to do anything meaningful that would stop us from being able to import oil, whilst continually poking them all the same. I wonder how much of this is to do with EVs being seen as 'green' and the 'enemy'.
The left seems to love EVs.
From a preppers perspective, it is a real contradiction that the ability to have an 'off grid' vehicle is criticised. Australia runs out of fuel within a month if imports stop. An EV goes for years, until either your ability to recharge it is lost, or something is needing unobtainable spares.
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Post by norseman on Sept 20, 2022 11:49:14 GMT 10
This is a very interesting topic. In general, support for EVs is divided upon political lines. Not economic ones and certainly not prepping ones. Conservatives tend to be very in favour of national security, yet on this topic would prefer to remain at the whims of middle eastern despots and hoping China doesn't get mad enough at us to do anything meaningful that would stop us from being able to import oil, whilst continually poking them all the same. I wonder how much of this is to do with EVs being seen as 'green' and the 'enemy'. The left seems to love EVs. From a preppers perspective, it is a real contradiction that the ability to have an 'off grid' vehicle is criticised. Australia runs out of fuel within a month if imports stop. An EV goes for years, until either your ability to recharge it is lost, or something is needing unobtainable spares. bug I believe the EV agenda has been politicised massively by the left in particular the very out of touch inner city dwelling Green Monsters that want to interfere with my life hundreds of K's away in my rural area. I don't want to be part of their little Metro-Gay World and am certainly not interested in trying to change who or what they are or how they live so why can't they just leave us the fark alone at the same time?
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Post by malewithatail on Sept 20, 2022 14:26:10 GMT 10
"An EV goes for years, until either your ability to recharge it is lost, or something is needing unobtainable spares."
When the grid goes down, you may think u can recharge your EV from your own solar system, but.....
Modern EV's need a internet connection, at least every so often, to update their software and upload the places you have driven to. Where does all this info go ? China would be a good bet.
So, when the net goes down, your EV will go down shortly afterwards as well.
Solution.
Build your own EV, there are lots of U tubes about it, mostly referring to USA, but our design rules are considerably more lenient than theirs are, so its actually easier to get a homemade EV on the road in Aus than in other parts of the world.
No internet needed, and you made it, so you can fix it.
Always be yourself, express yourself, have faith in yourself, do not go out and look for a successful personality and duplicate it.
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Post by bug on Sept 20, 2022 14:53:10 GMT 10
MWT, your concerns about data gathering (and abuse) are valid, but they apply to most new cars and is not EV specific.
Other than for leased vehicles with a per month km limit, why would your EV shut down without an internet connection? Public chargers will not work, but from your home off grid what would be stopping it?
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Post by malewithatail on Sept 20, 2022 15:41:00 GMT 10
A quick search reveled these gems.
"Does a Tesla have to be connected to the internet?"
"Connectivity is an important part of all Tesla vehicles, further enhancing the driving experience by providing access to features that require data usage — including streaming music and media, live traffic visualization and more. All Tesla vehicles come with access to Standard Connectivity."
"When I first spoke with Tesla about the Model S, I was told that I would receive software updates over the air for free for 4 years.
"Tesla cars have prepaid cellular connections for mapping/navigation, voice recognition, bug reporting, software updates and entertainment (including streaming audio with different services depending on the region and a web browser). The car also provides telemetry data to Tesla to help it improve Autopilot and maps. A cellular connection is also necessary for the Tesla smartphone app to work (one can remotely unlock the car, sound the horn, control charging, control AC and find out where the car is)."
"A Tesla’s internet connection is used for two broad purposes:
Tesla’s purposes Collect telemetry data on how the car performing, diagnostics and errors Collect Autopilot data Over-the-air software updates Owner’s purposes Mapping, nav and traffic info Listening to streaming music Web surfing (at least in theory) Mobile app access Charger info and supercharger status
If you ask, they will not collect the telemetry and autopilot data from your car. I do not know if they would turn off the ability to do OTA updates. All the owner purposes are really up to you on whether you use the features or not."
"The upgrade package downloads quite slowly - and you’re not really aware that it’s happening. Once the data is downloaded, it takes around 25 minutes to install - during which time you can’t drive or charge the car. But you can schedule that for some time in the future if it’s not convenient to do it immediately."
Big brother is definitely watching a Tesla.
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Post by ausprep130 on Sept 20, 2022 17:15:50 GMT 10
As I understand it, Tesla provides insurance for their vehicles and they also collect driving info such as speed, how long you indicate before changing lanes etc. so they can prove who was at fault in an accident. And I believe this is collected in as close to real time as possible depending upon internet connection. I've also heard if you drive badly/dangerously they can turn the car off remotely.
So I would hazard a guess that if internet was down for extended period of time it could prevent the car from running.
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Post by bug on Sept 20, 2022 18:15:16 GMT 10
That's all 'app' style functionality. Nothing to do with the car's ability to run.
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Post by bushdoc2 on Sept 20, 2022 21:27:42 GMT 10
And then he'll be forced to buy an approved charger from Tesla and that will need 3 phase power and then servicing every 3-6 months by Tesla technician. Nothing stays cheap for long. Not cheap once it's mandatory.
Whether insurance, green EV cars or living in East Germany...
If worthwhile, it need not be mandatory. If mandatory, it need not be worthwhile.
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Post by malewithatail on Sept 21, 2022 8:28:21 GMT 10
If they have the facility to remotely stop the car or disable it if stolen, its only a short step to being able to stop it on demand from the Gobernment or another entity.
And just stop your PC or phone updates for a short while and put up with the insistence of the device to upgrade, and finally slow down and become unusable. Take that one step further to a motor vehicle.....With Apple devices I don't think you have a choice, it just happens.
Have designed my new gasifier, now to collect the bits to build it. "free" energy from trees to power IC engines, without needing Mr Shell or Mr Caltex.
Who controls the food supply controls the people.
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Post by Joey on Sept 21, 2022 19:48:23 GMT 10
Apple got caught out purposely making older models of phone slower with firmware updates to "encourage" the user to upgrade to the latest model
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Post by bug on Sept 22, 2022 9:52:14 GMT 10
If they have the facility to remotely stop the car or disable it if stolen, its only a short step to being able to stop it on demand from the Gobernment or another entity. And just stop your PC or phone updates for a short while and put up with the insistence of the device to upgrade, and finally slow down and become unusable. Take that one step further to a motor vehicle.....With Apple devices I don't think you have a choice, it just happens. Have designed my new gasifier, now to collect the bits to build it. "free" energy from trees to power IC engines, without needing Mr Shell or Mr Caltex. Who controls the food supply controls the people. This already exists with ICE vehicles and has been put into practice. John Deere famously did it in the Ukraine conflict to farm equipment captured by Russia. I agree that the ability of governments to do this is scary and needs to be stopped, but there's no difference between EV and ICE here, so that's not a valid criticism. My mobile phone was an early android smart phone and stopped receiving updates years ago. It has been fine and I have no plans to replace it unless it gets physically destroyed. btw, you're probably the only person who has been able to answer the 'how do you fuel your ICE vehicle when imports stop?' question (via your gasifier). For the rest of us, wonder how we'll do when the next oil import shortage inevitably happens.
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