tactile
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Post by tactile on Sept 27, 2022 18:57:55 GMT 10
My money is on Plug-in Hybrids. They usually have small, gutless ICE engines in them but the electric is there to back it up if you need some more oomf. Range issues are not a problem due to the ICE and the battery-only range is quite acceptable around urban areas where the vast majority will spend most of their time. You also have the option of driving for a while on the ICE to charge up the pack or you can plug it in to charge it if you want to do the greeny thing. Many options will be handy for the transition period which will probably be for 20 years or so while we get everything sorted out; like the EU invading Russia for their cheap resources and the nuclear war that goes with that.
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Post by ausprep130 on Sept 28, 2022 7:22:49 GMT 10
I'd argue that the electricity grid is just as vulnerable as the supply chain for petrol. A bushfire, severe storm or lack of maintenance on critical parts of the grid and your EV becomes a very expensive boat anchor. Saw a report today that metro unit dwellers are having issues getting body corporate approval to place recharge points in the parking areas. Perhaps the EV lovers can get really green and ditch the car for a bicycle. EV owners can prep for grid down by having a generator and fuel on hand. OR a huge battery bank at home fed by large solar array but then they are restricting their travel to within a certain km bubble.
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Post by malewithatail on Sept 28, 2022 8:48:49 GMT 10
I'm thinking that E bikes are a viable option, especially after the collapse. Easily charged from a home solar system, enough range to get to and from the new local food markets that will be a necessary part of civilization after the fall, and a bike can have a small trailer attached. When the battery goes flat, peddle.
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Post by bug on Sept 28, 2022 10:04:20 GMT 10
I'd argue that the electricity grid is just as vulnerable as the supply chain for petrol. A bushfire, severe storm or lack of maintenance on critical parts of the grid and your EV becomes a very expensive boat anchor. Saw a report today that metro unit dwellers are having issues getting body corporate approval to place recharge points in the parking areas. Perhaps the EV lovers can get really green and ditch the car for a bicycle. EV owners can prep for grid down by having a generator and fuel on hand. OR a huge battery bank at home fed by large solar array but then they are restricting their travel to within a certain km bubble. For a prepper, an ev IS a huge battery bank. It can be powered by your own solar in an off grid set up. Without solar, an EV serves no purpose from a prepping perspective.
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Post by dadbod on Sept 28, 2022 10:20:45 GMT 10
I'd argue that the electricity grid is just as vulnerable as the supply chain for petrol. A bushfire, severe storm or lack of maintenance on critical parts of the grid and your EV becomes a very expensive boat anchor. Saw a report today that metro unit dwellers are having issues getting body corporate approval to place recharge points in the parking areas. Pethaps the EV lovers can get really green and ditch the car for a bicycle. Thats a fair point about the grid, but fuel requires the grid as well. even if they have generator back up, they require payment and external software inputs/outputs that would shut down. I doubt they would even be able to transact with cash with their POS being disconnected. when the grid goes down, we all go down, whether ICE or EV. thats where rooftop solar and battery comes into it. It doesnt solve they worlds problems, but it solves mine. Its hard to get body corps to do anything, im not sure what your point is... its clear that there is a view being perpetuated here against EV that someone is willing to report on a body corp... I wonder who would be dieminating social discourse away from renewables? Another reason to get out of the fuel markets with the russians and saudis.
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Post by malewithatail on Sept 28, 2022 11:37:11 GMT 10
EV's will be useless when Russia takes out the Starnet satellite service of Musks that communicates with his vehicles. No satellite, car shuts down, or wont start in the future.
A homemade e bike that you designed yourself will still work, and can be easily charged from a modest solar system.
Why do a bunch of weird psychos decide how we have to live-as if this planet is theirs ?
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Post by bug on Sept 28, 2022 12:10:47 GMT 10
Many comments about that 'shutting down' thing. No confirmation at all of it.
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Post by bug on Sept 28, 2022 12:12:19 GMT 10
I'd argue that the electricity grid is just as vulnerable as the supply chain for petrol. A bushfire, severe storm or lack of maintenance on critical parts of the grid and your EV becomes a very expensive boat anchor. Saw a report today that metro unit dwellers are having issues getting body corporate approval to place recharge points in the parking areas. Pethaps the EV lovers can get really green and ditch the car for a bicycle. Thats a fair point about the grid, but fuel requires the grid as well. even if they have generator back up, they require payment and external software inputs/outputs that would shut down. I doubt they would even be able to transact with cash with their POS being disconnected. when the grid goes down, we all go down, whether ICE or EV. thats where rooftop solar and battery comes into it. It doesnt solve they worlds problems, but it solves mine. Its hard to get body corps to do anything, im not sure what your point is... its clear that there is a view being perpetuated here against EV that someone is willing to report on a body corp... I wonder who would be dieminating social discourse away from renewables? Another reason to get out of the fuel markets with the russians and saudis. Correct. Grid down = petrol stations down. Every single one of them has electric pumps.
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Post by ausprep130 on Sept 28, 2022 12:38:10 GMT 10
In a true SHTF scenario the tanks could be syphoned. But it would be easier to run a portable generator to power the pumps. In the French TV show "Collapse" the petrol station operators were accepting food as payment.
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Post by frostbite on Sept 28, 2022 12:57:06 GMT 10
In a true shtf scenario anyone with an operating vehicle might become a bullet magnet.
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Post by dadbod on Sept 30, 2022 16:53:17 GMT 10
In a true SHTF scenario the tanks could be syphoned. But it would be easier to run a portable generator to power the pumps. In the French TV show "Collapse" the petrol station operators were accepting food as payment. probably true about them being able to be syphoned, but they wont be refilled so you are just buying time, not a solution. you will also have to get to them as everyone with an empty car will leave theirs abandoned at the petrol station. I dont get that about petrol station operators. why would you pay anything to a retail operator when its being's syphoned out. they dont own it, BP, shell, ampol etc. own it. IMO the cigarettes, fishing gear and food instore is of more value. its not like you will be driving anywhere anyway. in a hard collapse, my car will run as a battery and escape vehicle. nothing else.
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Post by bug on Sept 30, 2022 20:30:24 GMT 10
Trying to syphon out of a tank at a petrol station in a SHTF scenario. Sounds like a good way to get a free cremation.
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Post by malewithatail on Oct 1, 2022 9:07:04 GMT 10
In a collapse, my vehicles, generator etc will be running from wood, via a gasifier, so it wont really affect me, apart from the fact that wood only has about 60% the energy of petrol.
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Post by norseman on Oct 1, 2022 11:48:13 GMT 10
In a true SHTF scenario the tanks could be syphoned. But it would be easier to run a portable generator to power the pumps. In the French TV show "Collapse" the petrol station operators were accepting food as payment. its not like you will be driving anywhere anyway. in a hard collapse, my car will run as a battery and escape vehicle. nothing else. Yes I agree with this most everyone with half a brain would be at their BOL by this time!
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Post by rastus on Oct 7, 2022 9:39:22 GMT 10
Electric Hummer: $115K Four days charging: $150 When it has a software error and leaves you stranded in park, unable to even pop the hood: priceless.
Gimme a car with the bare minimum of computers please. And it isn't because I am a luddite either, it is because I worked in IT for 20 years.
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Post by bug on Oct 7, 2022 10:42:17 GMT 10
Cringe.
You don't see videos like that circulated of ICE vehicles when they breakdown for whatever reason.
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Post by ausprep130 on Oct 7, 2022 13:46:43 GMT 10
In a true SHTF scenario the tanks could be syphoned. But it would be easier to run a portable generator to power the pumps. In the French TV show "Collapse" the petrol station operators were accepting food as payment. probably true about them being able to be syphoned, but they wont be refilled so you are just buying time, not a solution. you will also have to get to them as everyone with an empty car will leave theirs abandoned at the petrol station. I dont get that about petrol station operators. why would you pay anything to a retail operator when its being's syphoned out. they dont own it, BP, shell, ampol etc. own it. IMO the cigarettes, fishing gear and food instore is of more value. its not like you will be driving anywhere anyway. in a hard collapse, my car will run as a battery and escape vehicle. nothing else. It was a couple of comments in one paragraph in response to a previous comment. Perhaps I should have put them on separate lines. Yes can syphon but like Bug said it is inherently dangerous hence my preference for portable generator. And true it is just buying time but if you need it then you do what ever you can. Accepting payment for fuel was also in response to a previous comment and I referenced a TV show that depicted the scenario. The operators had control of the pump and whilst there was panic there was still some semblance of order - for a time. The operators weren't doing it for the oil companies, they were doing it for themselves. They realised that cash was useless and opted for food instead. I recommend watching the series and you might better understand what I mean as trying to explain it in words may take longer than watching the episode. SBS OnDemand "Collapse"
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Post by malewithatail on Oct 8, 2022 7:30:56 GMT 10
Trying to syphon out of a tank at a petrol station in a SHTF scenario. Sounds like a good way to get a free cremation. Siphoning electricity from an electric vehicle may be just as dangerous and more difficult !
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Post by Tim Horton on Oct 11, 2022 3:17:24 GMT 10
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Post by bug on Oct 11, 2022 7:12:59 GMT 10
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