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Post by remnantprep on Mar 25, 2014 17:29:44 GMT 10
Lately, with all the conflict zones around the world, I have been contemplating the idea that if war was to break out would conscription ever be re introduced? I have a son who will be 18 in June and the thought of him being conscripted is rather concerning! I know this would depend on many things and even our daughters may be conscripted these days but it makes me think of all the young men in past wars who either experienced conscription or decided to join up under age. These young men would have had to grow up very quickly. There are many young men who already join the forces and have experienced things that may have changed them forever, and we need to be grateful to them for their service. I have talked to my son about this telling him he is at an age where this could happen to him. In the past conscription age was between 18 and 35 for all men and for unmarried men of 35 to 45 years old.
In the past Australia had a larger rural population and a larger proportion of city jobs would have involved labourers. This would have made for hardier young men. How do you think the young men (and women) in Australia would deal with the sudden reality of armed conflict? How can we make them better prepared?
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Post by wolfstar on Mar 25, 2014 18:15:40 GMT 10
i have often thought of the same in the last few days :/ imho, be prepared to bug out at first conscription!
but at least teach them gun safety,first aid, encourage them to exercise, and take them hunting. killing a boar might not be a person, but its better than never killing anything, as far as preparing their minds for the stress of seeing someones head splat in person. also, americas army was designed as a recruitment tool, so allowing them to play games like battlefield from a reasonable age (idk, like 15?) couldnt hurt.
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Post by remnantprep on Mar 25, 2014 18:31:48 GMT 10
There were really only two choices for conscription, join up or be thrown in jail. Even conscientious objectors were harassed.
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Post by wolfstar on Mar 25, 2014 19:41:44 GMT 10
There were really only two choices for conscription, join up or be thrown in jail. Even conscientious objectors were harassed. thats why i said be prepared to bug out XD |
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Post by SA Hunter on Mar 25, 2014 20:12:03 GMT 10
Well, my older lad is 20, youngest is 10. If it went pear shaped, I'd be right there with them signing up. I can think of no greater honour than to serve your country and to wear the uniform of the ADF. I've had discussions with the cook about this, and I have told her that if it goes pear shaped, I'm there!
I hope it doesn't come to conscription, as I hope there will be enough to heed the call ( am I against war, yes I am, but I will not back down when it comes to serving one's country). Conscientious objectors, well, if you are called up, and then do a bunk without good cause, then you are a coward and deserve to have the whole weight of the law thrown at you. I believe there are good reasons not to go, but, as a citizen of this great land, I feel that we all have an obligation to answer the call if asked. You can't just go give me, give me, give me, and then when the call to arms comes, say, well, no, I'm not, and I'm running away.
I know this opens a whole bunch of worms - personally I hope that the call to arms is so great that there is no need for conscription ( anyway, this is why we have Reservists to fill in the gaps if needed ). Better still, I hope the call never comes. But if it does, and my lads are called up, I will be proud, scared, worried, but, they will know that I will be there with them either in body or spirit. And, yes, if one of them did a bunk, I'd drag them by the ear to the recruiting depot, and stand with them as they say their oath.
I LOVE this country, and I will not let her call to arms go unanswered.
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Post by wolfstar on Mar 25, 2014 20:17:46 GMT 10
i agree on some things, personally, considering various things, it depends on what side of the war we are on. i will not let any child of mine fight to empower the countries breaking geneva convention laws, or seeking to further enslave or kill off the lower class. if that was the case (and considering america is one of the main perpetrators, and we are so far up their backside we can just about see the light at the other end of the tunnel!) id be bugging out for sure. stuff that. then i would help start a revolution. no good defending the country, when our country is helping oppress another, let alone for the greed of another country altogether, and our country needs defending from the govt already, let alone if sheet goes down like that.
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Post by remnantprep on Mar 25, 2014 20:50:38 GMT 10
Hubby and I have discussed it as well and he has said he would def go! I also would tell my son you have to be brave and that I would be proud of him!
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Post by remnantprep on Mar 25, 2014 20:51:36 GMT 10
Ok what about your daughters?
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Post by SA Hunter on Mar 25, 2014 21:08:27 GMT 10
Women play a role in the ADF - clerks, drivers, cooks, Nurses, Doctors, Q stores to name a few. Many fly choppers and planes, and serve on navy ships.
Having them front line is a hard one to decide - some countries have front line women soldiers ( ie Israel ). Won't start that debate!!
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Post by remnantprep on Mar 25, 2014 21:10:14 GMT 10
Haha Jay! Too scary to tread.
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Post by SA Hunter on Mar 25, 2014 21:15:40 GMT 10
Oooooooh yeah!A lot can be said, but I will refrain!!
But, you did bring up a really interesting thread and it does make one think.
I like this quote:
Better to die standing up than to live on your knees.
That about says it all!
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Post by wolfstar on Mar 25, 2014 21:22:35 GMT 10
but, die standing against whom? and for whom? these are things we also must consider! would you rather fight for your oppressor, just to maintain the "norm"? or would you rather make a strategic retreat to build strength to fight for your freedom?
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Post by Big Ted on Mar 25, 2014 21:22:45 GMT 10
it depends on what side of the war we are on. i will not let any child of mine fight to empower the countries breaking geneva convention laws, or seeking to further enslave or kill off the lower class. then i would help start a revolution. no good defending the country, when our country is helping oppress another, let alone for the greed of another country altogether, Sounds like Sedition and probably Insurrection in there as well.  If national conscription did come to pass, do you Really think that you would have a choice on the matter?? As for your Revolt, unless you have 10 years minimum of Infantry training up your sleeve I suggest that you wipe the idea from your mind forever. The Gubberment would make an example out of you and your family and use a MTAG to neutralize you in no time at all.  |
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Post by wolfstar on Mar 25, 2014 21:24:26 GMT 10
like, to fight "for the countrys honor", is about as silly as becoming a religious martyr. if we are not in danger, ask who/what we are going into war for. who gains from it? what is REALLY at stake if the war is lost? not just what the mass media is churning out as propaganda.
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Post by wolfstar on Mar 25, 2014 21:27:25 GMT 10
it depends on what side of the war we are on. i will not let any child of mine fight to empower the countries breaking geneva convention laws, or seeking to further enslave or kill off the lower class. then i would help start a revolution. no good defending the country, when our country is helping oppress another, let alone for the greed of another country altogether, Sounds like Sedition and probably Insurrection in there as well. If national conscription did come to pass, do you Really think that you would have a choice on the matter?? As for your Revolt, unless you have 10 years minimum of Infantry training up your sleeve I suggest that you wipe the idea from your mind forever. The Gubberment would make an example out of you and your family and use a MTAG to neutralize you in no time at all. i would rather die fighting for my freedom than to be someones slave. consider that. have a hard analytical look at the system. we risk our lives for other ppls wars. over what? bs lies to gain rights to more oil? stuff that. why not go shoot yourself in the head in exchange for a barrel of oil. a barrel that will just end up in someone elses hands to be sold to your countrymen anyhow. screw that. |
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Post by Big Ted on Mar 25, 2014 21:40:09 GMT 10
Women play a role in the ADF - clerks, drivers, cooks, Nurses, Doctors, Q stores to name a few. Many fly choppers and planes, and serve on navy ships. Having them front line is a hard one to decide - some countries have front line women soldiers ( ie Israel ). Won't start that debate!! We now have Women in the Regiment Jay Jay. No debating necessary mate. As long as they meet the requirements that the men do then they are allowed to be Grunts. No Special Forces at present though. I have met IDF female Soldiers who would make some Aussie grunts sook like children. They carry their M4's and M16's with them on the bus home and out and about when they go out for a meal with friends etc. It's quite surreal to see it as the norm all over the city and how no one gives a rats arse and then see how scared the average Australian is of weapons, but I digress..............Some women make very fine soldiers. Its a known fact that its easier to understand a woman on the radio due to the higher pitch in their voice. Unless they have a scary Man voice that is, but as Signalers they're brilliant and as you have pointed out mate many other roles as well. |
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Post by wolfstar on Mar 25, 2014 21:57:06 GMT 10
yep, if it was that way when i was 18, it was my dream to become a sniper. now i have kids and my body is screwed. my nan could shoot the balls off a fox from a good 200m without a scope, lol. trust me Jay, never underestimate how well women can perform military duties  in fact, i generally find it wise to never underestimate anyone, and especially not your enemy. always assume theyre smarter, stronger and faster then you. underestimation is a fast track to defeat. that where im lucky, nobody would ever guess my strength or capabilities from looking at me ^_^ |
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Post by Big Ted on Mar 25, 2014 22:12:01 GMT 10
Sounds like Sedition and probably Insurrection in there as well. If national conscription did come to pass, do you Really think that you would have a choice on the matter?? As for your Revolt, unless you have 10 years minimum of Infantry training up your sleeve I suggest that you wipe the idea from your mind forever. The Gubberment would make an example out of you and your family and use a MTAG to neutralize you in no time at all. i would rather die fighting for my freedom than to be someones slave. consider that. have a hard analytical look at the system. we risk our lives for other ppls wars. over what? bs lies to gain rights to more oil? stuff that. why not go shoot yourself in the head in exchange for a barrel of oil. a barrel that will just end up in someone elses hands to be sold to your countrymen anyhow. screw that. I do not think that you Realize that you are in fact Dumping on Men who have given so much in service to our Country and also Men who have payed the ultimate price for our very freedoms that allow us to have free thinking and Free Will. Please just consider that for a moment. I assure you that Australia's involvement in the War on Terror has Nothing to do with Oil. I risked my life for Years for that small piece of mind that Australia will Never suffer a 9/11 and my family and mates wont be victims of Extremist's on Australian soil. I have a degree in Counter Terrorism and international security through Murdoch University to literally better understand the ins and outs of Australia and America's ICAT (international Campaign against terrorism) so I assure on this matter also that I have analyzed the shit out of why we are there and what value removing certain individuals and groups was for Australia and it all ties in with a safer national community for us all. It's not all about Supporting America and securing Oil reserves. Australia has Oil. We're not there for that. I think you're missing the point that Jay has made. Fighting for ones country and loved ones does not necessarily imply that you would be fighting for a particular party's agenda or to further policy of any kind. More than anything he is saying he would offer his life and his Sons lives for the average Australians way of life and for the freedoms in our country that I'm sure we all currently enjoy. Imagine if the Taliban had amassed an Army of a Million and the equipment to go with that number? Would you then stand and fight or convert and live under Sharia as a beaten scared shell of a person under a big cotton sheet with a tiny slit for your view if you're lucky? |
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Post by SA Hunter on Mar 25, 2014 22:17:09 GMT 10
Um, not sure where I down played the role of women in the ADF, and as has been previously been stated, I also have experienced women out perform men on military exercises. I know many women who have more gongs on their chest than I have ever dreamed off, many were Operational awards that would make the average 'hero' wet himself with fear!! No, I have never underestimated the role of women in the ADF.
Insurrection is a crime and I for one would not ever condone it - who is to say why we fight? What about Afghanistan?? Are we fighting for the countries wealth?? Or are we freeing an oppressed society that was under a radical Islamist system that forbade women basic rights - like an education. So, a woman goes to school, the Taliban kill her, her teacher ( sometimes even the whole class/school ) and then her family!! I haven't been to the A, nor have I been under fire, but I do know that regardless of what radical ideas are out there, we are there to free a society from oppression, to bring basic human rights to ALL, male and female, and to allow a people to chose for themselves how they wish to live.
When you take an oath with the ADF you swear to serve the Queen her heirs, and the Govt and people of Australia.
It is wise to never underestimate your enemy, but it is also foolish to over estimate your ability!
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Post by Big Ted on Mar 25, 2014 22:19:59 GMT 10
yep, if it was that way when i was 18, it was my dream to become a sniper. now i have kids and my body is screwed. my nan could shoot the balls off a fox from a good 200m without a scope, lol. trust me Jay, never underestimate how well women can perform military duties in fact, i generally find it wise to never underestimate anyone, and especially not your enemy. always assume theyre smarter, stronger and faster then you. underestimation is a fast track to defeat. that where im lucky, nobody would ever guess my strength or capabilities from looking at me ^_^ So if you're a strong Woman and have great capabilities then why don't you go and join up and have a go at Infantry? Your Kids would be Proud and Im sure your husband would be too, especially if you could actually pass all the test's to get in to the Regiment. Point to note......Being a Sniper is not all it's cracked up to be. In fact it's one of the worst job's in Infantry. If you don't mind walking and crawling for kilometres on end and shitting yourself while lying face down and taking about 3 or 4 hours to clean it up properly then by all means, have a go at being a Marksman. If the thought of this bothers you then probably pick something else.  |
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in fact, i generally find it wise to never underestimate anyone, and especially not your enemy. always assume theyre smarter, stronger and faster then you. underestimation is a fast track to defeat. that where im lucky, nobody would ever guess my strength or capabilities from looking at me ^_^