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Post by spinifex on Feb 8, 2023 18:38:26 GMT 10
Another Part of my INCH kit was a folder full of printed satellite images with all "good" water bores marked on it. To enable movement and evasion in a hostile environment if required. I had routes hundreds of kilometres long marked out such that they could be walked while wearing a moderate weight backpack of essential gear.
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Post by spinifex on Feb 8, 2023 18:44:26 GMT 10
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Post by spatial on Feb 8, 2023 19:41:52 GMT 10
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Post by Joey on Feb 8, 2023 20:18:49 GMT 10
Developing an INCH like a BOB will be very specific to your area and if you have a BOL to head towards. As mentioned, it might not be a backpack setup, but a vehicle-based set-up to take the necessary food/water at a min.
I used to know a guy in the early 2000s who told me that he had already prepositioned food/water/supply caches all around the remote parts of the state where he spent most of his time with work. He said he had a week's worth of supplies for himself at each point and were spaced roughly 3 days' walk apart. He had it all calculated out with natural water sources and whatnot for resupply.
Unfortunately with the climate in most of Aust, water is going to be the crux of surviving in a post-event world. Sure, going Kevin Costner and waterworlding it on the open ocean is a nice idea for escape from hostile crowns on the land. But again you'll need to have an equipped catamaran/sailboat ready to go with things such as water desalination to process the seawater for use, food shouldn't be an issue with a few good rods and plenty of tackle and willingness not to get tired to eating fish for 3 meals a day lol. Some sort of endless way to cook the fish as well as you won't be able to pick up some sticks for a fire and gas won't last too long, so some sort of solar-powered stove/oven at a minimum.
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Post by spatial on Feb 8, 2023 21:50:56 GMT 10
I used to follow a lot of YouTube through hikers, that do 6-9 month trails. They get away with less than 10 pound packs with resupply every 3 to 10 days. Only different is food procurement, my bags and gear are heavily focused on food procurement, taking food with and agriculture.
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Post by norseman on Feb 9, 2023 2:07:15 GMT 10
I've pretty much watched every episode of this YT over the last 3 or 4 years. A couple sailing around Oz in a tiny boat and living off the land / sea for much of it! Well worth watching.
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Post by malewithatail on Feb 9, 2023 7:27:14 GMT 10
Pirates may be an issue, take a RPG setup with you and they wont have a second go !
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Post by Stealth on Feb 9, 2023 9:51:29 GMT 10
Actually that's the first place my mind went to. Pirates aren't a huge problem around us though (for the larger part) but the second every cashed-up bogan with a tinny hits the waters, you might find that changes.
Water evac isn't an option for me. For one, I don't have a boat or the experience to support one. We live only a few kilometres from the coast now so if I were ever to be able to justify having a boat, now would be the time. But I just can't justify the cost of owning and maintaining a boat when our first instinct would be to load up the car and head in-land into the hills where you're less easily spotted. Anyone who thinks they're going to bug out to see in a tinny only needs to look at what happens to the majority of boat people to know that it's a terrible idea to try to go blue water in a tinny with a motor.
And if you can't go blue water then you're staying on the coastline in sheltered waters which leaves you WAY to close to everyone else that had the same idea. I don't see any benefit to sitting in a bay on a small boat. It'd be like shooting fish in a barrel. I don't know that you could INCH permanently on even a moderate sized boat without constantly using fuel to avoid being in the same place for too long. Put up a sail and you're providing a big white bedsheet target. And I wouldn't be worried about bad guys from above taking shots. I'd be worried that I'm providing a target for anyone else that's in a similar position but also desperate for supplies. Basically my thought is if you're the only blip on the horizon you're a lot bigger target than a blip on a scrubby hillside. So in my mind when I think of INCH rigs I tend to automatically go to vehicles and trailers because that's what seems most logical to me.
That being said with no actual experience on the drink I don't know that I'm making assumptions that aren't valid so what do I know? 🤣
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Post by malewithatail on Feb 9, 2023 10:21:32 GMT 10
Pirate problem solved, stealth and security, perfect solution ! www.pinterest.com.au/pin/163748136431608838/
Lets go the whole way !!!
On a more serious side, being close to the sea will give you an excellent view of a nuclear produced tsunami, or being on the sea even more exiting.
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Post by norseman on Feb 9, 2023 10:59:49 GMT 10
Actually that's the first place my mind went to. Pirates aren't a huge problem around us though (for the larger part) but the second every cashed-up bogan with a tinny hits the waters, you might find that changes. Water evac isn't an option for me. For one, I don't have a boat or the experience to support one. We live only a few kilometres from the coast now so if I were ever to be able to justify having a boat, now would be the time. But I just can't justify the cost of owning and maintaining a boat when our first instinct would be to load up the car and head in-land into the hills where you're less easily spotted. Anyone who thinks they're going to bug out to see in a tinny only needs to look at what happens to the majority of boat people to know that it's a terrible idea to try to go blue water in a tinny with a motor. And if you can't go blue water then you're staying on the coastline in sheltered waters which leaves you WAY to close to everyone else that had the same idea. I don't see any benefit to sitting in a bay on a small boat. It'd be like shooting fish in a barrel. I don't know that you could INCH permanently on even a moderate sized boat without constantly using fuel to avoid being in the same place for too long. Put up a sail and you're providing a big white bedsheet target. And I wouldn't be worried about bad guys from above taking shots. I'd be worried that I'm providing a target for anyone else that's in a similar position but also desperate for supplies. Basically my thought is if you're the only blip on the horizon you're a lot bigger target than a blip on a scrubby hillside. So in my mind when I think of INCH rigs I tend to automatically go to vehicles and trailers because that's what seems most logical to me. That being said with no actual experience on the drink I don't know that I'm making assumptions that aren't valid so what do I know? 🤣 Yes, got to agree with all of the above! A boat for me would be an alternative bug out vehicle at best! I'd be using it to get to somewhere really remote and then cam it up and concealing it in a mangrove etc. I would not be living on it in a coastal area it would be a death trap!
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Post by frostbite on Feb 9, 2023 13:42:41 GMT 10
Anyone remember Dead Calm with a young Nicole Kidman?
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Post by spinifex on Feb 9, 2023 18:27:06 GMT 10
Developing an INCH like a BOB will be very specific to your area and if you have a BOL to head towards. As mentioned, it might not be a backpack setup, but a vehicle-based set-up to take the necessary food/water at a min. I used to know a guy in the early 2000s who told me that he had already prepositioned food/water/supply caches all around the remote parts of the state where he spent most of his time with work. He said he had a week's worth of supplies for himself at each point and were spaced roughly 3 days' walk apart. He had it all calculated out with natural water sources and whatnot for resupply. Unfortunately with the climate in most of Aust, water is going to be the crux of surviving in a post-event world. Sure, going Kevin Costner and waterworlding it on the open ocean is a nice idea for escape from hostile crowns on the land. But again you'll need to have an equipped catamaran/sailboat ready to go with things such as water desalination to process the seawater for use, food shouldn't be an issue with a few good rods and plenty of tackle and willingness not to get tired to eating fish for 3 meals a day lol. Some sort of endless way to cook the fish as well as you won't be able to pick up some sticks for a fire and gas won't last too long, so some sort of solar-powered stove/oven at a minimum. I'm confident that if underequipped convicts could make it to Chile across the south pacific/souther ocean in an unfinished boat in 1833 and again in 1834 ... its viable for us today. Don't need to own the vessel ... just need to be able to access a vessel. And there's plenty of ways to do that.
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Post by spinifex on Feb 9, 2023 18:31:47 GMT 10
I've pretty much watched every episode of this YT over the last 3 or 4 years. A couple sailing around Oz in a tiny boat and living off the land / sea for much of it! Well worth watching. I met a guy in a mid sized sail boat a few summers back ... moored in a quiet cove here on Eyre Peninsula. He was on his way back to Port Pirie ... from South Africa. Very cool bloke. With big balls. Crossing the Indian ocean single handed (multiple times) is a real accomplishment.
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Post by tactile on Feb 11, 2023 13:26:09 GMT 10
How about ÃŽles Kerguelen? No ones gonna find you there.
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Post by malewithatail on Feb 11, 2023 15:46:29 GMT 10
"I'm confident that if underequipped convicts could make it to Chile across the south pacific/souther ocean in an unfinished boat in 1833 and again in 1834 ... its viable for us today. Don't need to own the vessel ... just need to be able to access a vessel. And there's plenty of ways to do that. "
Where would u go ? No where would be safe from the hungry hordes, better to stay put and at least u know where u are, and who is gunna be the threat.
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Post by spinifex on Feb 11, 2023 18:00:27 GMT 10
Mate ... in the unlikely event a huge occupying force arrives here to annex Oz into their empire ... I'm sailing for Chile. I'm not worried about civilian riff-raff scratching through the detritus of a smashed economy causing problems for my group ... INCHing is a strategy for the Big League of Soviet/South swedish/Former Yugoslavia style organised occupation and extermination. The scenario I'm thinking of doesn't involve some global level breakdown ... it involves getting away from genocide oriented occupation force. This is a common theme in history. I know people who have had to do it. I don't know anyone who has had to contend with a global level Mad Max scenario.
The Mad Max scenario is not that tricky to navigate by comparision.
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Post by frostbite on Feb 11, 2023 18:33:09 GMT 10
I watched the remake of Red Dawn on the 55 inch led tv at my retreat last weekend. I’m ready for a genocide oriented occupation force.
Hey Norsemen, next meet we have a dvd night, watch The Postman. Newbies tasked with serving drinks and nibbles.
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Post by norseman on Feb 11, 2023 22:13:15 GMT 10
I watched the remake of Red Dawn on the 55 inch led tv at my retreat last weekend. I’m ready for a genocide oriented occupation force. Hey Norsemen, next meet we have a dvd night, watch The Postman. Newbies tasked with serving drinks and nibbles. Your Solar now running a 5ft TV screen? I'm gonna see if I can get a remastered HD version of the Postman!
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Post by frostbite on Feb 12, 2023 5:30:55 GMT 10
I watched the remake of Red Dawn on the 55 inch led tv at my retreat last weekend. I’m ready for a genocide oriented occupation force. Hey Norsemen, next meet we have a dvd night, watch The Postman. Newbies tasked with serving drinks and nibbles. Your Solar now running a 5ft TV screen? I'm gonna see if I can get a remastered HD version of the Postman! Runs it fine, and that’s with the old batteries. Chunky bum is going to hook up my new lithium battery at the meet. Off to get two more 2 person canoes this morning so more of us can explore up the river.
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Post by malewithatail on Feb 12, 2023 6:51:17 GMT 10
Its all a matter of size....our solar system can run the mother in laws split system air con with no issues, along with 3 fridges, a really large chest freezer, two houses, pumps etc. There are 5 other power systems here for the other dwellings, most now based on 800 amp hour lithium battery paks, although the main system is a 2,600 amp hr submarine battery.
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