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Post by Tim Horton on Jan 13, 2024 5:50:26 GMT 10
Where is a flight of about 3, B52s loaded with HE and napalm when you need them ?? |
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Post by malewithatail on Jan 13, 2024 7:22:03 GMT 10
Texas is expecting a cold snap.
-5 f expected today, the nuke plants are having cooling water issues as the ponds are frozen and the plants were not designed to operate in such cold conditions. Predictions of blackouts, in such temps as well. Glad for a sub tropical climate over here, even though the humidity is hell, cold is worse.
When I have a spare moment, I go to the wood shed and split some more wood. Winter may be cold here this year.
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Post by bug on Jan 13, 2024 7:45:55 GMT 10
If I was one of the security guards hired to protect one of these billionaires, the first thing I would do is chat to the other guards, work out a plan to shoot the billionaire and anyone loyal to him. Then we all move our families into the compound and live off the resources that we know are there. Lets be real. No one's hiring security without having a way to ensure that they toe the line. For exactly that reason. How would you ever know? You can do all the background checks you want. When someone's family's welfare is on the line and there will be no consequences, good luck to any billionaire who thinks they'll be safe. Have a look at how someone like Bezos treats his employees. The guards will know exactly what he really thinks of them. The 'loyalty' will disappear as soon as the money does. Also of relevance, there is often an increase in thefts from project sites when security guards are around. It's pretty obvious that they are getting paid to tell criminals exactly where the goodies are and to make sure they aren't patrolling that area at a certain time of night. Same principle would apply here. |
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Post by bug on Jan 13, 2024 7:47:19 GMT 10
Sad but true. Funny how whenever the west gets involved in a conflict, our enemies always seem to show up straight away afterwards as 'refugees' and we are stupid enough to let them in. Not many innocents in these countries. Is that Sweden? |
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Post by malewithatail on Jan 13, 2024 7:53:03 GMT 10
Just specially dug up for all you conspiracy theorists out there. www.jpost.com/middle-east/iran-news/article-724770Houthis could have nukes. This is where the Middle east mess could get interesting and turn into WW3. Remember.....dead men tell no tales...... |
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Post by Joey on Jan 13, 2024 8:00:33 GMT 10
Lets be real. No one's hiring security without having a way to ensure that they toe the line. For exactly that reason. How would you ever know? You can do all the background checks you want. When someone's family's welfare is on the line and there will be no consequences, good luck to any billionaire who thinks they'll be safe. Have a look at how someone like Bezos treats his employees. The guards will know exactly what he really thinks of them. The 'loyalty' will disappear as soon as the money does. Also of relevance, there is often an increase in thefts from project sites when security guards are around. It's pretty obvious that they are getting paid to tell criminals exactly where the goodies are and to make sure they aren't patrolling that area at a certain time of night. Same principle would apply here. Especially when the billionaires in the article are already talking about fitting the guards with shocks collars etc, if he really had a team of ex SEALS on the books, there is no way they will take that |
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Post by bug on Jan 13, 2024 8:09:26 GMT 10
Yup. It's a dead giveaway. These guys don't want a community. They want slaves. As history has repeatedly shown, slaves will kill their masters at the first opportunity.
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Post by bug on Jan 13, 2024 8:25:16 GMT 10
And on the falling numbers of military recruits, I think this guy nailed it. Attachments:
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Post by norseman on Jan 13, 2024 12:53:25 GMT 10
How would you ever know? You can do all the background checks you want. When someone's family's welfare is on the line and there will be no consequences, good luck to any billionaire who thinks they'll be safe. Have a look at how someone like Bezos treats his employees. The guards will know exactly what he really thinks of them. The 'loyalty' will disappear as soon as the money does. Also of relevance, there is often an increase in thefts from project sites when security guards are around. It's pretty obvious that they are getting paid to tell criminals exactly where the goodies are and to make sure they aren't patrolling that area at a certain time of night. Same principle would apply here. Especially when the billionaires in the article are already talking about fitting the guards with shocks collars etc, if he really had a team of ex SEALS on the books, there is no way they will take that As soon as the hatches slam shut money would become irrelevant! These so called "security guards" would torture the boss and his associated losers for any important passwords and access codes, they would take control of the armoury, food / alcohol storage and also the women, all useless eaters and oxygen thieves would be eliminated! |
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Post by Stealth on Jan 13, 2024 13:12:49 GMT 10
How would you ever know? You can do all the background checks you want. When someone's family's welfare is on the line and there will be no consequences, good luck to any billionaire who thinks they'll be safe. Have a look at how someone like Bezos treats his employees. The guards will know exactly what he really thinks of them. The 'loyalty' will disappear as soon as the money does. Also of relevance, there is often an increase in thefts from project sites when security guards are around. It's pretty obvious that they are getting paid to tell criminals exactly where the goodies are and to make sure they aren't patrolling that area at a certain time of night. Same principle would apply here. So you're telling me that you think that billionaires wouldn't know and have a contingency plan for security guards that might decide to have words with Cesar? You think nobodies like us are aware that they'd turn on a dime, but billionaires are too stupid to figure that out and have a plan for when it happens? It's a flat out Hollywood plot line to think "They think if they throw enough money at things it'll just go away". Cash is monopoly money to people like that. Tokens in a game but ultimately worthless. So sure it's their first line of defence because they have so much that they might as well be handing out toilet paper. It means nothing to them and just like us they know that when the chips are down money will mean nothing to everyone else, too. The ones that really seem to succeed get very handy at using Maslow's hierarchy of needs to put the pressure on from the top down. Because the higher in the pyramid you can get the result that you want, the less chance you have to dip into the lower ones. The less you have to dip into the lower ones, the less likely you are to start an insurrection. I can't imagine that they'd hire a security team with all the vetting in the world and still not have a deadman control, because you don't become a billionaire by being stupid. And thinking "Well I would...". Yeah. Everyone thinks they know what they'd do until they face something that is unimaginable to them. And I'd have to guess that you don't become a billionaire by lacking imagination. But I'm not a billionaire and never will be, so what do I know? 🤣 |
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Post by frostbite on Jan 13, 2024 14:10:21 GMT 10
Seems pretty simple to me, guards outside the bunker where they are more effective, family inside the bunker where they are safer. Those billionaires have probably themselves been weapons trained by some of the very best, and probably have access to all sorts of goodies. There will always be currency. It might not be dollars, it might be gold or silver or some other token, but there will always be something used to trade with. I’m sure those billionaires have it sorted.
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Post by bug on Jan 13, 2024 16:54:58 GMT 10
How would you ever know? You can do all the background checks you want. When someone's family's welfare is on the line and there will be no consequences, good luck to any billionaire who thinks they'll be safe. Have a look at how someone like Bezos treats his employees. The guards will know exactly what he really thinks of them. The 'loyalty' will disappear as soon as the money does. Also of relevance, there is often an increase in thefts from project sites when security guards are around. It's pretty obvious that they are getting paid to tell criminals exactly where the goodies are and to make sure they aren't patrolling that area at a certain time of night. Same principle would apply here. So you're telling me that you think that billionaires wouldn't know and have a contingency plan for security guards that might decide to have words with Cesar? You think nobodies like us are aware that they'd turn on a dime, but billionaires are too stupid to figure that out and have a plan for when it happens? It's a flat out Hollywood plot line to think "They think if they throw enough money at things it'll just go away". Cash is monopoly money to people like that. Tokens in a game but ultimately worthless. So sure it's their first line of defence because they have so much that they might as well be handing out toilet paper. It means nothing to them and just like us they know that when the chips are down money will mean nothing to everyone else, too. The ones that really seem to succeed get very handy at using Maslow's hierarchy of needs to put the pressure on from the top down. Because the higher in the pyramid you can get the result that you want, the less chance you have to dip into the lower ones. The less you have to dip into the lower ones, the less likely you are to start an insurrection. I can't imagine that they'd hire a security team with all the vetting in the world and still not have a deadman control, because you don't become a billionaire by being stupid. And thinking "Well I would...". Yeah. Everyone thinks they know what they'd do until they face something that is unimaginable to them. And I'd have to guess that you don't become a billionaire by lacking imagination. But I'm not a billionaire and never will be, so what do I know? 🤣 Statements that has start with "So you're saying..." have a piss poor chance of being on the mark. |
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Post by tactile on Jan 13, 2024 20:23:09 GMT 10
So you're telling me that you think that billionaires wouldn't know and have a contingency plan for security guards that might decide to have words with Cesar? You think nobodies like us are aware that they'd turn on a dime, but billionaires are too stupid to figure that out and have a plan for when it happens? It's a flat out Hollywood plot line to think "They think if they throw enough money at things it'll just go away". Cash is monopoly money to people like that. Tokens in a game but ultimately worthless. So sure it's their first line of defence because they have so much that they might as well be handing out toilet paper. It means nothing to them and just like us they know that when the chips are down money will mean nothing to everyone else, too. The ones that really seem to succeed get very handy at using Maslow's hierarchy of needs to put the pressure on from the top down. Because the higher in the pyramid you can get the result that you want, the less chance you have to dip into the lower ones. The less you have to dip into the lower ones, the less likely you are to start an insurrection. I can't imagine that they'd hire a security team with all the vetting in the world and still not have a deadman control, because you don't become a billionaire by being stupid. And thinking "Well I would...". Yeah. Everyone thinks they know what they'd do until they face something that is unimaginable to them. And I'd have to guess that you don't become a billionaire by lacking imagination. But I'm not a billionaire and never will be, so what do I know? 🤣 Statements that has start with "So you're saying..." have a piss poor chance of being on the mark. Even though she is on the mark. If there is one thing these guys are NOT, and that's dumb!
Billionaires will do one simple thing to get their loyalty - they will include their body guards families in their plans.
What else does a special forces guy care about more? Nothing.
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Post by malewithatail on Jan 14, 2024 7:15:08 GMT 10
I was going to suggest that the inclusion of the guards immediate families in the group would be a way of maintaining trust.
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Post by bug on Jan 14, 2024 9:47:00 GMT 10
Yeah, was thinking that too. But it would require that all the potential guards and their families live nearby (within walking distance) to start with. Those private jets aren't going to be much use after an EMP puts them on the ground.
It may work out. And good luck to them if it does. There are just soo many scenarios where it goes bad.
- Paid loyalty isn't loyalty.
- Everpresent threat of mutiny.
- Shitty attitude towards employees won't go away.
- What happens when the money/useful items start to run out?
- Getting there in the first place ahead of time from likely distant locations.
- Having a regenerating food source (ie a farm) ready to go.
I'm sure there's more.
In the end, having a family and a community that supports each other, sharing resources and skills is going to be vastly more importanat than however many shekels some billionare thinks he can buy loyalty with.
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Post by malewithatail on Jan 14, 2024 10:46:06 GMT 10
Right Bug, Or useless bitcoin, and you can't eat gold and silver.
When it calms down, farming knowledge will be the new currency, as will produce and bartering skills.
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Post by frostbite on Jan 14, 2024 11:07:55 GMT 10
How do you think you would resolve this situation:
Society has imploded and I’m living on my retreat, with a good trading relationship with my farming neighbours. I want some beef and have batteries and disposable razors to trade, my neighbour has spare beef to trade but wants olive oil. A couple of km down the road a farmer with an olive plantation has olive oil to trade but doesn’t want beef, batteries or razor blades. He wants something else he can trade with another neighbour for some fuel.
The resolution?
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Post by frostbite on Jan 14, 2024 11:52:24 GMT 10
The resolution is currency.
Doesn’t matter what it is, so long as it is available, accepted, and can’t be reproduced or counterfeited.
Silver coins would be an ideal candidate.
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Post by malewithatail on Jan 14, 2024 16:09:12 GMT 10
That currency could be bananas, or any other thing recognized and able to be traded. I also think that Gold and Silver will hold its value for some time after the fall, but eventually it will run out or all be in the hands of the new 'elite'.
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Post by Stealth on Jan 14, 2024 16:32:42 GMT 10
Yeah I suspect that a new form of physical currency would pop up fairly quickly on re-establishment of order. Even ancient cultures used things like shells etc. I've never quite understood how that one worked though, imagine you find the spot where the tide comes in JUST right and there's a whole massive pile of shells that you find. I guess that's a great way to fairly become rich. Anyone could have found them, you just got lucky lol.
But I do think that gold and silver will be the likely candidates. That's pretty common in third world countries now and has been through antiquity. They're recognised as having worth even if you don't speak the same language. Obviously you have to get around the testing and counterfeiting issue but I suspect they'd probably be the first thing that was trialled as a 'new' currency.
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