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Post by frostbite on Jul 19, 2021 19:25:43 GMT 10
Don't forget the Chinese spy ship sitting inside the Aust economic zone but just on the edge of the Aust territorial waters spying on the Talisman Sabre war games happening in North Qld at the moment involving USA, Japan, UK, Canada, South Korea, NZ. Perfect opportunity for one of our subs to do some practice torpedo runs.
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Post by spinifex on Jul 20, 2021 9:10:16 GMT 10
I wonder if any of our subs are currently seaworthy and on patrol ??
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Post by Joey on Jul 20, 2021 16:53:57 GMT 10
I wonder if any of our subs are currently seaworthy and on patrol ?? Yes, HMAS Collins is partaking in the war games at the moment
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Post by spinifex on Jul 20, 2021 17:06:04 GMT 10
So just the 1 out of 6 ... gosh our defence capability is sad.
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Post by Beno on Jul 20, 2021 18:43:56 GMT 10
I think one of the issues with the collins fleet is having enough crew to run them even though most of the boats are ready to go. 2 are getting a fit out.
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Post by Joey on Jul 21, 2021 8:38:05 GMT 10
Yes it seems that not many people who join the navy are willing enough to choose to go under the water in a sub, pretty sure even the US has a similar problem with its sub fleet
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Post by SA Hunter on Jul 21, 2021 19:42:53 GMT 10
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Post by captain on Jul 21, 2021 20:16:42 GMT 10
Yes it seems that not many people who join the navy are willing enough to choose to go under the water in a sub, pretty sure even the US has a similar problem with its sub fleet I’d have to agree with you. I’d never get in a sub. I have hard enough time getting in commercial plane for x amount of hours - but a sub. No way Jose.
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Post by norseman on Jul 22, 2021 7:31:53 GMT 10
Yes it seems that not many people who join the navy are willing enough to choose to go under the water in a sub, pretty sure even the US has a similar problem with its sub fleet I’d have to agree with you. I’d never get in a sub. I have hard enough time getting in commercial plane for x amount of hours - but a sub. No way Jose. Some of the RAN Clearance Divers I've worked with can tell some shockers about Submarine "Lockouts" , Sub Escape Training and Recompression / Decompression Chambers! You'd better not be an undiagnosed claustrophobic and a RAN Submariner or Diver at the same time!
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Post by Joey on Jul 22, 2021 7:40:40 GMT 10
What's long and hard and full of seamen? Submarine
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Post by frostbite on Jul 22, 2021 8:24:26 GMT 10
My first date with Mrs Frostbite, so many years ago, was a rainforest bushwalk. She was telling me about her dad, retired British navy. Said he used to be a seaman. I replied we all used to be a seaman. And I still got a second date.
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Post by rgreenw on Jul 22, 2021 9:32:53 GMT 10
The latest on News.com.au below, highlights new possible threat from China associated with rare earth minerals...
" China has the power to stop every technological and electrical industry in the world and plunge the planet into the dark ages any time it wants, an expert has warned.
Even more worryingly, escalating tensions between China and the West makes it look very likely that this will happen sooner rather than later.
Dr Jeffrey Wilson, research director at the Perth USAsia Centre, said that China owns around 80 per cent of the world’s supply of critical minerals – which is a “powerful weapon”.
“Critical minerals are weird rocks basically – you’ve got them in your phone, in the (TV) antenna, in your computers. They’re used in tiny quantities,” he told news.com.au.
“China has worked out they have a weapon. This is a potentially weaponisable asset, the same way Saudi (Arabia) has petrol.”
Even though a smart phone only uses 50 micrograms of critical minerals, it wouldn’t be able to function without them.
It’s not just smart phones but laptops, batteries, military equipment including missile radars and fighter jet navigation, medical diagnostics, wind turbines, solar panels and electric vehicles, to name a few, are all dependent on critical minerals.
China could “bring the world to its knees” if it decided to cut off access, according to Dr Wilson.
The planet would be plunged into something similar to a dystopian novel if China decided to stop producing critical minerals.
“It would be an economic disaster. The price of cars would go up 20 fold,” Dr Wilson said.
“You may not be able to get them at all (laptops or phones). Could you imagine?
“Prices would rise dramatically.
“The supply of electronics would be greatly constrained, everything from phones to TVs to medical diagnostic equipment, military equipment, it’s everywhere.
“It would give China a way to stop the world’s automotive industry.”
China has been embroiled in a trade war with Australia for the last 18 months, after Prime Minister Scott Morrison angered the communist nation by calling for an investigation into the origins of the coronavirus. Iron ore, barley and even lobsters have fallen foul of the Asian superpower in its bid to undermine Australia’s economy through cutting off trade.
However, Dr Wilson warned that nothing compared to the havoc China could wreak from stopping critical minerals reaching our shores.
“It puts all of Australia’s trade issues in perspective. They would pale in comparison to this,” he said.
And it’s not just a conceptual idea – China cut off Japan’s critical mineral supply in 2010 to pressure them into releasing a Chinese citizen.
Dr Wilson said it was a “significant” blow for Japan’s electronic and technological industries.
“Even though it’s (critical minerals) a tiny bit you can’t create without it.”
After two months, Japan’s ban was lifted.
China’s actions were condemned by the US, the European Union and Japan and the World Trade Organisation also said the communist nation had violated global trade rules.
But that won’t stop it from happening again.
Critical minerals include cobalt, magnesium, lithium, platinum and rare earth elements, among others.
“Basically anything after 60 on the periodic table (is a critical mineral),” Dr Wilson joked.
China has a chokehold on critical minerals, especially rare earth elements, which are a group of 15 elements in the periodic table known as the Lanthanide series.
Around 70 to 80 per cent of the world’s supply of rare earths come from China.
The rest are all in Australia.
The term “rare” is a misnomer for rare earths.
These rocks are relatively abundant, especially as only a small amount is needed in technology, but the problem lies in production.
There is only one factory outside China that is able to process them.
“It’s easy to pick up rocks,” Dr Wilson said.
“Our rocks get sent to China, where they get processed into a chemical, that can then go into a laptop, phone, solar battery, etc.
“Even though it comes from an Australian source, there’s a middle step that’s going through China.”
Everything in red is a critical mineral. Picture: Geoscience Australia/ga.gov.au
According to Dr Wilson, the solution is a simple one.
Australia should team up with another country that has the means to process the minerals, like the US, Germany or Japan.
That way Australia can mine the products, and then process them, without needing China.
“If China cut it off, a government would very quickly create their own processing facility,” Dr Wilson said.
“The problem is it doesn’t happen straight away. Everyone would have to panic and rush.
“If we have a look at the way geopolitics is going, the worst that gets, the more likely this is to happen.
“The argument is if we’re going to do this at some point, let’s do this now before it catches fire.”
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Post by spinifex on Jul 22, 2021 9:39:24 GMT 10
Yes it seems that not many people who join the navy are willing enough to choose to go under the water in a sub, pretty sure even the US has a similar problem with its sub fleet An easy problem to fix in a capitalist nation. Up the pay rate. A lot. Bump the pay up to a minimum $250k a year and watch the candidates line up. Without lowering the bar for performance standards. That's good capitalism in action.
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Post by malewithatail on Jul 22, 2021 11:02:12 GMT 10
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Post by frostbite on Jul 22, 2021 11:40:08 GMT 10
Yes it seems that not many people who join the navy are willing enough to choose to go under the water in a sub, pretty sure even the US has a similar problem with its sub fleet An easy problem to fix in a capitalist nation. Up the pay rate. A lot. Bump the pay up to a minimum $250k a year and watch the candidates line up. Without lowering the bar for performance standards. That's good capitalism in action. Same goes for Army sigs. My daughter got jack of NCO's trying to enforce British rules on Aussie troops, put the word out she was going to discharge, and job offers flooded in. She now earns double what army paid by using a piece of paper Army gave her whilst in service, with no uniform and no crap. And when Army wrote to her begging her to re-enlist with her choice of posting, because they are desperately short of trsined sigs, she told them to pi$$ off.
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Post by Joey on Jul 22, 2021 18:48:08 GMT 10
Meanwhile, virus 3.0 is in the works... I like how they say "his close contacts are safe, for now"
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Post by Joey on Jul 23, 2021 8:55:32 GMT 10
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Post by SA Hunter on Jul 27, 2021 12:19:15 GMT 10
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Post by frostbite on Jul 27, 2021 12:46:28 GMT 10
I don't get everyone's preoccupation with China owning the lease on the port at Darwin. Who cares.
It's not like owning the lease gives them permission to land troops or ships without permission. It's not like owning the lease would hinder our troops taking it over without any resistance during a conflict.
Major General Molan? More like Major Idiot Molan.
Darwin port had fallen into disrepair. The NT govt didn't have the money to fix it. Our federal govt told them to get stuffed. The Chinese govt said no problem, how much do you need.
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Post by spinifex on Jul 28, 2021 19:51:17 GMT 10
The Chinese perhaps want to invest in the Port of Darwin to make sure its big enough and in good enough condition to be used as a primary logistics hub in any future invasion? It could give them an excellent access point to launch an overland offensive to capture the mineral and gas-rich Kimberley/Pilbara region.
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