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Post by milspec on Aug 15, 2021 14:30:43 GMT 10
Nailed it .. Beno. "The only issue i see bigger than China is our unelected ruling technocrat elites" As for being outplayed, I don't think so, the elites simply didn't GAF so long as their bottom line is improving. As for .gov well clearly politicians can't be expected to take any kind of moral or national security policy stance since our public opinion is now under the control of vested media interests and fuelled by rabid lefties raised on a higher education system infused with socialist agendas now oriented on racially divisive lines (critical race theory) and armed with big tech cancel culture weapons to shut down voices of reason or dissent that might arrest & reverse our societal collapse into a racially fuelled disarray which undermines & weakens our national security policies sufficiently for CCP aggressors to crush us like bugs when they chose to make their move. That sentence could prolly do with a bit of structural review but you get my gist. |
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Post by spinifex on Aug 17, 2021 19:21:42 GMT 10
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Post by Joey on Aug 17, 2021 20:02:18 GMT 10
It's no secret that China was sending its troops in to secure the $1Trillion+ untapped wealth of minerals in Afghanistan.
Iron ore, copper, oil, lithium, cobalt, rare earth minerals and such have already been surveyed.
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Post by malewithatail on Aug 17, 2021 20:45:06 GMT 10
With the one child policy of the last few decades, can you see the uprising that would happen internally if China went to war ? Most families only had one child, and chose a boy, now they go to war, perhaps never to return. It would probably destabilize the country. It may even result in an internal civil war. Just food for thought.
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Post by Joey on Aug 18, 2021 7:46:01 GMT 10
CHina stopped the 1 child policy in 2015 and changed it into 2 kids, which I believe is now been increased to 3 kids to get everyone pumping those kids out for future army/factory slaves.
China also has "mandatory military service from 18-24yrs for all males" but with so many each year turning 18, they only early need to register themselves and a few thousands are selected for actual service, but if things were to get kinetic, they would take everyone they could and force them through.
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Post by milspec on Aug 18, 2021 8:10:01 GMT 10
CHina stopped the 1 child policy in 2015 and changed it into 2 kids, which I believe is now been increased to 3 kids to get everyone pumping those kids out for future army/factory slaves. China also has "mandatory military service from 18-24yrs for all males" but with so many each year turning 18, they only early need to register themselves and a few thousands are selected for actual service, but if things were to get kinetic, they would take everyone they could and force them through. I dont remember the details of it but I remember listening to an assessment of their population growth and it was saying they have screwed themselves over to a degree with their 1 child strategy. Something along the lines of they'll hit a point in the future where all those 1 kids are the workforce supporting the economy and there will not be enough of them to support the considerably larger aged population. I'm sure the CCP will deal with it but they created a rod for their own backs. |
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Post by spinifex on Aug 18, 2021 8:22:38 GMT 10
Doesn't Covid take a heavy toll on old versus young ??
With no reporting out of China ... it could be possible they already partially solved their demographic 'problem' with the virus.
You'd think reports would have leaked out ... but ... who really knows?
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Post by Beno on Aug 18, 2021 8:34:00 GMT 10
CHina stopped the 1 child policy in 2015 and changed it into 2 kids, which I believe is now been increased to 3 kids to get everyone pumping those kids out for future army/factory slaves. China also has "mandatory military service from 18-24yrs for all males" but with so many each year turning 18, they only early need to register themselves and a few thousands are selected for actual service, but if things were to get kinetic, they would take everyone they could and force them through. I dont remember the details of it but I remember listening to an assessment of their population growth and it was saying they have screwed themselves over to a degree with their 1 child strategy. Something along the lines of they'll hit a point in the future where all those 1 kids are the workforce supporting the economy and there will not be enough of them to support the considerably larger aged population. I'm sure the CCP will deal with it but they created a rod for their own backs. They could go the soylent green option? In seriousness Australia and many western countries have the same trajectory with aging populations. |
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Post by SA Hunter on Aug 19, 2021 9:36:58 GMT 10
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Post by milspec on Aug 20, 2021 20:45:08 GMT 10
Yup one of the problems with cancel culture and rewriting/ erasing the history books tends to set you up to relive the past mistakes. |
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Post by spinifex on Aug 21, 2021 7:33:37 GMT 10
Based on the way the 'take-over' rolled out so smooth and fast ...
I actually think what happened in Afstan is that the majority of people there are absolutely in favor of the Taliban being in charge ... for now. (They'll be less happy as long term reality takes hold.)
Taliban is Afghani for Afghani ... the 'Government' must have been widely considered a puppet government installed by the west and as such ... highly undesirable. Most of the government troops just didn't see the point in opposing the change.
The country most likely now has the outcome the majority there wanted. Quite a few thousand will now be bricking it and fleeing because they collaborated with the invaders.
Lesson to everyone: When the Chinese come here to take our natural resources ... Don't be a collaborator. It rarely ends well.
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Post by norseman on Aug 21, 2021 8:05:43 GMT 10
Lesson to everyone: When the Chinese come here to take our natural resources ... Don't be a collaborator. It rarely ends well. Your message is 20 years too late for 80% of the current and former career Politicians in Australia! |
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Post by Beno on Aug 21, 2021 10:18:59 GMT 10
Maybe they saw this:    And went “yeah, nah! fugg that” |
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Post by Stealth on Aug 21, 2021 10:29:14 GMT 10
Based on the way the 'take-over' rolled out so smooth and fast ... I actually think what happened in Afstan is that the majority of people there are absolutely in favor of the Taliban being in charge ... for now. (They'll be less happy as long term reality takes hold.) Taliban is Afghani for Afghani ... the 'Government' must have been widely considered a puppet government installed by the west and as such ... highly undesirable. Most of the government troops just didn't see the point in opposing the change. The country most likely now has the outcome the majority there wanted. Quite a few thousand will now be bricking it and fleeing because they collaborated with the invaders. Lesson to everyone: When the Chinese come here to take our natural resources ... Don't be a collaborator. It rarely ends well. I don't know so much about 'in favour' of Taliban rule, they probably thought that it couldn't be worse than the in-fighting they had between the Afghan gov and the Taliban. Reports coming out seem to show that women in general are terrified for their futures and that of their children. But in saying that we're only hearing from the 'privileged' women there who have access to western media to tell their stories. Feels weird to call them that from the perspective of a western woman who'd rather cut off her leg voluntarily than live in the country full-time. But there's still a class system over there just as there is over here. So essentially, we're not hearing from rural women who probably haven't known any different for the last, oh I don't know... Eternity. The Taliban were more present for a lot of rural folk than the Afghan government ever was. Perhaps they just wanted the fighting to stop no matter what the cost to their gender. I can appreciate how it could get to that point. When the west rolled in they refused to do any kind of cultural investigation at all. The yanks were the worst for it. Absolutely no comprehension of tribal cultures and no attempt to even begin to try to understand it until right toward the end of their tenure there. As far as they were concerned it shouldn't have mattered. They figured right up until the last couple of years that all they had to do was install a well-functioning democratic process and the people would see that it was 'better' than what they had before and they'd fight to retain it. HA. The place hasn't changed since cavemen in the rest of the world dragged themselves out of caves and started building daub huts. It'll probably be exactly the same in 400 years time. |
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Post by Stealth on Aug 21, 2021 10:31:50 GMT 10
Also, apologies. Definitely de-railed from China to Afghanistan. Although they're inextricably linked at the moment... Probably should get back on track!
I think we should look to the policies about how many children China is now allowing and consider what their plan is for 18-20 years when those children reach their majority. We know that China is great at the long game, are we doing enough to counter a sudden increase of aggression in 20 years? Doubt it.
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Post by SA Hunter on Sept 1, 2021 23:37:32 GMT 10
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Post by milspec on Sept 3, 2021 20:38:32 GMT 10
I was at the Ag store this afternoon picking up some feed. I ended up in a discussion about fertiliser with the owner. It came to light that the 1 ton bags of phosphate fertiliser we were standing next to were the only available bulk fertlisers at the moment, despite the in-demand fertiliser being urea. When I quizzed him why he said China has stopped exporting nitrogen based fertilisers to Australia (& India).
So we may be great at producing food but that's only when the large scale farms are getting the inputs they need such as appropriate fertilisers.
I wonder when Australians will start to feel the tightening pressure on our dangly bits. This is another prime example of our reliance on China to support our core industries. I wouldnt be surprised if they are shipping some fertiliser to Australia though i.e shipping it to the Chinese owned farms which send the produce back to China.
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Post by frostbite on Sept 3, 2021 21:08:17 GMT 10
I wonder when Scomo is going to grow a backbone and stop supplying food to China
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Post by milspec on Sept 14, 2021 7:17:31 GMT 10
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Post by spinifex on Sept 14, 2021 8:00:38 GMT 10
I was at the Ag store this afternoon picking up some feed. I ended up in a discussion about fertiliser with the owner. It came to light that the 1 ton bags of phosphate fertiliser we were standing next to were the only available bulk fertlisers at the moment, despite the in-demand fertiliser being urea. When I quizzed him why he said China has stopped exporting nitrogen based fertilisers to Australia (& India). So we may be great at producing food but that's only when the large scale farms are getting the inputs they need such as appropriate fertilisers. I wonder when Australians will start to feel the tightening pressure on our dangly bits. This is another prime example of our reliance on China to support our core industries. I wouldnt be surprised if they are shipping some fertiliser to Australia though i.e shipping it to the Chinese owned farms which send the produce back to China. We are at economic war with china. Its time to stop sending them iron ore. Its the one economic weapon we have against them ... and its a big one. The gloves are off ... I will now vote for any government, including the Greens or whatever, who make an open announcement they will block exports of iron ore to China. Or ... any country found to be 'fronting' for China. We have ALL the raw materials to run nitrogen plants here in Oz very cheaply ... I will vote for any party that incentivises that. I will vote for any party that halts the sale of Australian natural gas to china (and any other export market where the export price is lower than the price paid by our own consumers and industries). It is time for us to use our outstanding natural resources for the benefit of all Australian businesses ... cheap raw materials to make our national industries internationally competitive. Gina and the other resource exporter billionaires will scream "communism" or "socialism" ... I say "level field capitalism" and "national interest" Our nation cannot keep its head in the sand for much longer without suffocating in it. Benefiting the richest 50 people in our land at the expense of everyone else ... has to stop. Now. |
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