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Post by grumble on May 10, 2017 16:20:33 GMT 10
token awesome thread BTW. Thanks for starting it. No worries, tbh im keen to continue my learning in this field myself. The tech is changing all the time, the scenarios like you added about tree roots is important and i agree with that. Id also add that apparently cutting Palm Trees destroys a chainsaw as well, so it might pay (or not lol) to get a cheapy for those type of one off jobs. Regarding the scenario, the cheapy, as long as it hasnt been overworked and starts on time might do to get the old telegraph pole out of the way too. I know an old arborist fella and he told me never to buy the specialized chain oil, rather get the supermarket 5ltr cheapest motor oil you can. The reason he said is that their is an additive in the chain oil which causes it to stick and be viscous but when dropping trees and or going near dirt, this oil holds dirt and it becomes like a small grinder on your bar, cog and chain. He said the cheap motor oil flicks off and its all you need. He has had years in the industry as an old fella so i respect him, but i havent dont it yet. Interesting thoughts though, and something that preppers can consider if the end of the world happens and they cant find bar oil, just use clean motor oil. It might also be useful to run old filtered car oil, dunno. Honestly I have talked to guys in forestry and they all have said the same thing about using motor oil vs chain oil
Using motor oil is a fools folly in terms of saving money because over time what you save in using cheap motor oil you end up spending more in chains and bars because they run to dry and over heat no matter what you do the oil flicks off to quickly so you end up having to pump heaps of oil on to keep them lubed up also never use old used motor oil as that stuff will kill your chain and bar in no time
Now this is the information I have recived from guys that fall timber day in day out and make a living from harvesting timber on a professional level so I would hope they have their facts right
on a side note you can use veggie oil as well or olive oil in fact in Europe they use veggie oil with the tacky stuff added to it as hey flinging oil everywhere is just not cool anymore
www.jonsered.com/int/chainsaws/chainsaw-accessories/lubricants/chain-oil/vegetable-based-chain-oil/
www.stihl.com/stihl-bio-plus-chain-and-bar-oil.aspx
www.husqvarna.com/asia/accessories/other-accessories/lubricants/husqvarna-saw-chain-oil,-vegoil/
as you can see all the big boys have it now but honestly I pay the money and use proper bar oil but here is the kicker if you have an older saw a survivor from the pre 90's then you can run dirty oil sump oil in it due to the design of them but I still wouldn't just cause hey you take the stuff out of your engine cause its no good for your big end why would you put it in your saw
In a fair play type deal though if you don't use your saw day in day out then I don't think it will make all that greater difference in bar life and chain life I personally have used motor oil and veggie oil and decided to go back to bar oil simply because veggie oil was pouring out and when I used motor oil my chain and bar was getting hotter compared to normal
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Post by grumble on May 8, 2017 9:00:47 GMT 10
The best usage I have seen of a shipping container was as a storm shelter for cyclones it was a forty footer fully lined with a 12/240volt system in it It had designed from the ground up to being occupied long term in the event of a major cyclone destroying all the local infrastructure
basic outline of it was the shelter was above ground in a man made hill it was about 2 meters above ground level then earthen walls around it and over the top along the sides of the container there were walls made of corrugated iron and railway tracks for bracing it was well built and had a lot of thought put into it no cyclone was ever going to move it as the whole thing was pretty much buried but the ground pressure actually sloped away from the container due to being built raised up rather than below ground level all round it was very nicely built and quite comfortable I wouldn't mind living in it the best thing was they took a lot of idea from caravans and boats when designing it on the inside
now for what its worth this is the idea of what I would like
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Post by grumble on May 5, 2017 16:16:31 GMT 10
I cut a moderate amount of firewood every year and fall a lot of standing timber some of them are quite large trees I run 3 saw a Jonsered with an 18# bar it can take a 20# bar but I don't use it I also have a MTD with a 16# bar and a Stihl MS 170 with a 12# bar
now my 170 does 70% of the work and there is a good reason for that its the bar length and over all size , weight of the saw See people go out and buy a massive big saw and drop a tree and then end up with the chain hitting the dirt when they are cutting up the timber due to the bar simply being to long and the over all weight and power pulls the tip down into the dirt thus either blunting the chain or wrecking it totally
my only opinion I have on the whole issues is buy the right sized saw for the job bigger is not always better I would rather hold onto a 4kg saw for a couple of hours than one that weighed 8kg what brand you buy is up to you just make sure you can buy parts for it and for the record I have a no name Chinese saw that I keep to only use for cutting submerged logs off the bridge out of my property in winter paid $90 for it from bunnins and it still works even after a few swims but I don't think it would last long for daily use
On the subject of the tungsten carbide tipped chains its important to note that they will cut on average 10 ton of wood before sharpening is needed and you can not sharpen them at home they need a special tool to sharpen them are they worth the money ? yes and no for an example I can easily cut 5 ton a day once I get going I have 3 chains for each of my main saws that I keep sharp so one on the saw 2 spares so in some ways they are not worth it for daily usage however are they good for emergency usage hell yeah they will do something that will kill most chains very quickly and that is cut partially burnt trees normal chains almost go instantly blunt when you hit burnt wood as the carbon sucks up the oil dry's out the chain and over heats it making it go blunt very quickly so if you are doing some fence line clearing after a fire then yes they are worth their money
also if you are in rough country they can handle hitting a few rocks and stuff as well unlike normal chains or even the odd nail
I also have a 25 ton log splitter and man I wouldn't be without it now life is pretty easy using petrol power rather than swinging a block splitter
I think token has seen some picture of the stuff I cut up on post somewhere I think his comment was some thing like
geez grumble why don't you pick on someone your own size
The last bit I have to add is
Learn to sharpen your chains properly a correctly sharpened chain will make short work of whatever you put in front of it where as an incorrectly sharpened chain will use more fuel make our saw work harder and make your back ace plus you will start to get uneven cuts when cutting up fallen trees and that annoying and dangerous if using a hydraulic log splitter as they really need a flat face to push through and curves can send the log shooting off under pressure when splitting
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Post by grumble on Apr 12, 2017 10:43:01 GMT 10
I have to be totally honest this really dose not keep me awake at night for a very simple reason say they have a couple of missiles lets give them 40 ok now they can reach Australia oh dear how terrible given there are a minimum of 40 identified nuclear strike targets in Australia and a lot of them are in the northern part of the country place like Townsville army/ air force Cairns navy /army international airport large enough for US military aircraft Darwin army navy air force wepia deep-water port air force base
Now lets look at it logically North Korea doesn't give a rats about Australia if its going to pop off its birds they are going to head for japan and the US mainland cause we all know they love making doom porn about nuking US cities now if I lived in LA or San Diego I would be slightly concerned
All I am seeing is the drumming up of support for action that may lead to war by using fear of a possible attack of that is highly improbable but the general public don't take the time to really look at the bigger picture
Now on the other hand
TLDR? I think its just propaganda to get us to support war or limited strikes against NK because even if they could reach Australia they wouldn't waste the few birds they have on us instead it would be Japanese and Us cities targeted
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Post by grumble on Apr 12, 2017 9:58:09 GMT 10
Interesting I already travel 110klm return trip each day for work or nearly 2 hours I am fortunate enough to have 75 acres 45 min from the CBD of a capitol city so I have all the critical service at my finger tips yet I am still able to do all the things I like , like walk out my front door and go shooting or work in my workshop until ungodly hours of the morning and by completing all the projects I am doing on my property now I avoid all the council red tap that will come over time but for now they have removed a whole bunch of it to encourage people to build and develop their land things like no longer needing a permit to erect a shed of up to 6m in size or a free standing carport little things but hey there has been an explosion now of fully lined "wood sheds " or "storage sheds "being erected on vacant land without interference from local government
My brother on the other hand lives in the middle of a barren scorched part of hell called the Australian outback in a small country town that clings to life by simply being the only town for a very long time life there is simple but brutal and not for the faint of heart a couple of summers ago their hottest day was unofficially 51.8c they had a wonderful 9 months and 17 days of cloud free skies that also meant no rain for 10 months Now I will say if you can survive the heat the dust the floods the mozzies the flies and the isolation plus being cut off for weeks during the wet season and the fact that the nearest hospital that can treat anything more than a basic injury being 7 hours away land there is pretty cheap and there is work around if you can handle all the above also factor in groceries are 3 times the price of on the coast and fuel is very pricey well in fact everything costs a lot more due to transport cost
I did my time in places like that and yes they are ok but now for me prepping is not for me anymore its for my children and in all fairness I can not in good faith move them into some backwards place that will only disadvantage and prevent them from reaching their full potential due to a lack of resources and access to the basic things for their development in a world that is only going to get harder and more demanding on the requirements for its work force
My point is people really need to do their research 1st to see what they gain for what they lose to see if the trade offs are worth it or is it a short term gain for a long term loss because quite often its harder to reverse the journey once its started. Lessoned learned the hard way I move from a place that I used to live at I loved the life style there ( didn't know what I had till it wasn't there ) but I needed to go see other things now I can never afford to move back there and I probably never will as the price of land their has gone far beyond the reach of reasonable people to give an example I sold my old house there for $150K well last year I saw it had sold for $900k so at this point I couldn't even buy my old home back if I wanted to this is something to think about when looking at moving out of town so to speak
Now in fairness places like where my brother lives would probably do quite well if the world went to hell in a hand basket because they already live without a lot of the luxury and convenience that the more populated locations along the coast are use to
Myself personally I am looking more towards moving closer into the city in the next 5 to 8 years and having a weekend property as a retreat so I can let my children have access to all the vital infrastructure to be educated and to educate themselves plus for their personal development because while its good to encourage their outdoor activities and give them skills in bushcraft they still need to be able to pursue dreams of being doctors or pilots or in my sons case he soooo wants to be a car doctor or a MotoX rider
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Post by grumble on Apr 7, 2017 17:38:15 GMT 10
I just think the whole thing is one horrific joke that has gone on for far too long lets be honest someone uses gas and everyone gets all uppity about it and takes action meanwhile the residence of Damascus have endured countless motor attacks and suicide bombing by terrorist er I mean moderate rebels sorry I get confused as I always equate using car bombs and suicide bombers to terrorist not legitimist opposition forces funded and armed by the west and aligned with known terror organisations
In the end it will be innocent people who pay the long term price when they have been um liberated Libya 2.0
I just want to add that I personally feel that military intervention is not the solution I have spoke to Syrians that have made Australia their home and for most part the general consensus is if there is not a political solution by the Syrian people there is no future for Syria and they did pose a good question where was the wests outrage when hundreds and hundreds Syrian Christians were being butchered by the moderate rebels ?
maybe we do need to glass the whole region for a some peace and quite
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Post by grumble on Apr 2, 2017 18:34:43 GMT 10
I have to disagree with you Grumble. A person is at foremost responsible for themselves. Government shouldn't be viewed as your saviour or motivator, but as an inconvenience that you might need to sidestep sometimes. Perhaps I should clarify my point a bit better
I don't believe the government should be viewed as your saviour nor should the individual hand all responsibility of their own wellbeing to another person or organisation as there should always be a very strong degree of individual accountability for ones own personal action or inaction
I do strongly feel though that the government does have a role in educating the general public and has the ability to push certain agendas to ensure that the general public has the appropriate information freely available to them on how to prepare and plan for disasters natural or otherwise I also strongly feel the government should also remove red tape that hinders people from being able to take reasonable steps to prepare for disasters
if the same amount of money and energy was spent on giving out proper information on how to get the basic household ready for a week long disaster as they spend educating people on how to be sensitive around peoples genders and sexual orientations in the workplace and how guns are evil then we would be in a better place when things did go wrong
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Post by grumble on Apr 2, 2017 7:25:50 GMT 10
when I see articles like this in the news and on forums such as this it does cause a bit of sadness in the pit of my soul and there is a very simple reason for this It clearly shows just how disenfranchised we ( as a society ) have become from the real world and its fickle moments and just how disassociated from fellow man we have also become... There are now tooooo many freeloaders and welfare recipients that have an attitude of entitlement and would rob a place like a makeshift care centre. Since the days you have spoken about there has been massive urbanisation and most have nothing or and skills to fall back on. The density of population centres makes it impossible for a few to give assistance to an entire town. While this is true its doesn't absolve the government of its guilt in not actively pursuing a policy of encouraging private citizens to hold a minimal stock of supplies for an emergency nor have they actively pursued a plan to encourage private citizens or community groups to build shelters that can withstand a set of predefined conditions
No its the same old line Wait it out in a safe place and we will send help when we can if you need it
Its not reasonable to always blame the little people for not being active if the countries leadership is only ever reactive to disasters and not proactive
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Post by grumble on Apr 1, 2017 10:40:04 GMT 10
when I see articles like this in the news and on forums such as this it does cause a bit of sadness in the pit of my soul and there is a very simple reason for this
It clearly shows just how disenfranchised we ( as a society ) have become from the real world and its fickle moments and just how disassociated from fellow man we have also become
To give an example of what I mean when I was a child I grew up in a region prone to natural events be it flooding , cyclones and bushfires the potential to be cut off from the outside world was a very real possibility so a majority not all but a greater majority of people that lived in the region used to carry extra supplies through the seasons of upheaval the joke was everyone would eat xmas cake in march because you could buy the tinned cakes with a 10 year shelflife for next to nothing after xmas so everyone carried a healthy pantry of shelf stable goods for emergency supplies and for when the relatives dropped in unannounced
people knew to keep their cars full if there was bad weather around and hell everyone still paid for everything with either cash or checks now when things did go bad there would be the normal next day reaction of people checking on each other and making sure everyone was ok I remember everyone knew who had what skills and there was a nurse that lived up the street so my dad went and saw her to see if she needed any supplies then did a round up of the street with a shopping list and as soon as he said "the nurse needs these items do you have any? people would not hesitate to go get what they had to give to her as her place was now a makeshift medical centre
The few that needed greater medical help were loaded into private vehicles that were fully fuelled and equipped with supplies to transport them to functioning hospitals I remember my dad setting up the generator at her house then everyone brining up their tins of lawn mower fuel to add to the fuel supplies to keep the power up to the nurse as now her place wasn't just a medical centre it was also a nursery for mother with babies or little children plenty of clean water and other supplies to get everyone through
No one complained no one objected it just seemed like them most logical thing to do help each other and be comfortable and share what you had but most had everything they needed anyway the was what about me my needs are greater well there was but not very much of it
only as little as 30 years later with have a society of silk worms that are completely reliant on the system to be functioning to act and behave like normal civilised people.
I question the government and hold them accountable for all of this not the people because the buck does stop with policies and directives displayed and communicated by local , state an federal government The constant assumption that the government will take care of you and it will! but only to the best of its abilities with the resources that it has available and it will prioritise where those resources go to do the most benefit to the overall bigger picture and by that I mean getting the power on to 10k people and getting infrastructure up and working for those 10k people is a far more pressing issue then getting the power back to a town of 200 people that can be easily evacuated to a better location
This is where the dependant mentality is a product of the governments own policies There should be a social responsibility that is endorsed and strongly encouraged by the federal government for individual households to maintain a supply of vital resources to sustain life for 1 week for each person in every household
if you could get only 50% of the Australian households to do this then you have just dropped the demand on emergency services by a minimum of at least 40% in a disaster zone
However there is this ongoing campaign of not encouraging or supporting this type of activity rather they just keep telling people we will help you and fix everything when in the cold light of day they do a good job but their is only so much they can do before run out of everything
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Post by grumble on Feb 15, 2017 9:02:38 GMT 10
A good video to remind people that life is hard yet for others life is really hard but they keep going
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Post by grumble on Feb 15, 2017 8:23:09 GMT 10
One thing I took from this was
Just how much the average person has changed for an example
a lot of those people actually looked like hard guys that would deal out the hurt and had been trainded to do so they also had a on average a pretty healthy body type plus the girls were kind of hot in an 80"s sort of way
now flash forward to today and so much
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Post by grumble on Feb 15, 2017 8:11:40 GMT 10
And not a bit of molle or red dot in sight. and old school camo patterns instead of digicam and did you notice the pretty much total lack of other accessories attached on their rifles not just no red dots
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Post by grumble on Feb 15, 2017 8:09:33 GMT 10
Wow! Now we are all showing our age! Once we were survivalists not preppers🙂 Kurt Saxon was my hero back then-- still have all those books he talks about Interesting they mostly seem to be using fn s and h&k rifles I think the fact that it was preban days for imported firearms helped a lot for that once the ban came into play people went with local stuff more and the AR style become the king
I know myself back in the days when I used to do a lot of shooting for pest control very few people I knew apart from city boys with their toys had anything in .223 even pro roo shooters used .222 , .22WRM .22 hornet everyone else that I used to shoot with or was doing the same as me for the cattle stations used .30 cal mainly SMLE's , SLR's , SKS's or if they had money to burn Colt or Armalite AR 10's mind you though I used to buy 180 grain 7.62x51 round for $15 per 100 , .303 for $3.20 per box of 32 rounds and $65 per 1000 for 7.62x39 or $45 per 1200 for real nasty stuff that I was sure was loaded with black powder
for some reason post gun bans in Australia over time the .223 became overly popular I think the US helped influence this plus the types of firearms available to the average shooter
my point is though what becomes popular in the use becomes popular over here given time
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Post by grumble on Feb 6, 2017 12:23:45 GMT 10
I love a good rant. Well done Grumble. I keep my prepping secret not for security reasons (I'm happy to repel boarders), but because I don't want to be associated with the whackjobs that are so often the face of prepping. It makes me cringe to be put in the same box as them. In my experience I've found the loudest voices on forums to usually be the least prepared. And the type to most often attack newbies. Case in point: a morbidly obese man, late 50's, still lives in a trailer with his mum, sum total of preps is a box of guns and some 20l plastic buckets full of 2 minute noodles and tuna, yet who presents himself as the australian guru of survivalists and denigrates almost everybody else. It is his type who cast a shadow over all of us. I hear you mate on keeping it low key to avoid being pigeonholed with the nut jobs
I don't mind helping people out and giving some free advice to people starting out I even keep some printed out copies of state and federal government documents where they list things you should have and how to plan for disasters I like doing that because what most people don't understand is raising awareness to prepping is partly an ideological war of changing peoples mindsets of dependence to independence so when you hand them government commissioned and issued documents that have their recommendations in them people see that as a very official advice from those that are in power and thus is acceptable to them.
Then if people want more information they come back and are now an open book to most things that are seen as helpful
Through this approach I have been able to actively encourage about 10 of my neighbouring properties to store a weeks + worth of food and supplies on top of their normal stocks given I only have 12 homes near me its not a bad result and we have now put in place active plans for certain disaster like fires , power outages and unwanted intruders detected on a neighbouring property Plus we have a very effective neighbourhood watch an old lady that is home pretty much every day has a camera that accidently faces down the main road into the area and it just happens to catch number plates whoops my point is though crime has dropped to nothing wood hookers are gone from the area and people know if you come up here you will get noticed and questioned if no one has vetted you
to me that's some prepping at its best
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Post by grumble on Feb 6, 2017 12:06:05 GMT 10
Thanks Mozzie I lurk more than I post but when I do I try to make it worth while
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Post by grumble on Feb 6, 2017 8:59:23 GMT 10
I have to say that in my time the list of major events that never happened but so many "preppers "believed would happen but never happened due to the fact either it was never going to happen in the 1st place or some other event or action prevented it and a good example of that was Y2K the possible damage never happened because billions of dollars were spent globally to rectify the problem before it became a problem now how bad would it of been we will never ever know cause preventive measure were put in place and prevented it from happening. On the other hand there was 2012 doomsday which was never going to happen and there was no real provable evidence to say otherwise apart from theory crafting , speculation , assumptions and interpretation
Herein resides the problem for the prepper community each time one of these events gets publicity and nothing actually happens preppers that have been vocal about making sure things are ready and are warning people the end is near so get your guns, ammo and beans ready tend to look a bit silly thus tarnishing the image and core values of why people do have a stock of resources to call upon in an emergency
To put it simple the more times doomsday or whatever apocalyptic scenario your local militant and vocal prepper's favourite is at the time doesn't happen the stupider the concept of prepping becomes to the general public
Even myself as a person that has spent a great deal of time , money and resources in developing, funding , implementing and actioning emergency plans I find it annoying that people come into the community and rabbit on about how we need to get ready for the holy war with Islam , gays , the government , the greens , the next big doomsday scam or whatever they are obsessed with this month it annoys me immensely for a very simple reasons and here they are
1. If you are new to the concept then the last thing you want unless you are that way inclined is to see a wall of posts that are anti government anti Islam anti gay anti average person anti everything that is considered normal then one little post about chickens The average person that is just getting started normally looks up prepping after some event effected them on a local and personal level like a storm a power outage and so on they in all probability will see that sort of rubbish and think yeah no thankyou preppers are nuts and not wish to be associated with that type of image
2. The community itself especially online can be quite toxic towards newcomers cause if you don't think like or agree with the old boys that have been around for a long time then you are immediately targeted for insults veiled or otherwise oh and if you even dare speak up and say something about it then you are a stupid sheeple special snowflake that wants to hold hands with black Asian Islamic gays while singing greenie songs Out in the real world once again some preppers do the damage to the community image as well and give the news companies a front page story lets be honest every time a "prepper "is caught with illegal items or weapons somewhere in the world our media loves it and make the most of it painting preppers as dangerous individuals that should be avoided and if need be reported Remember once again the average person is in all probability just looking for some pointers and tips to get started or for a reliable source of information not to get branded and tarnished as a raving loon so they will withdraw from the concept once again taking with them any helpful information they could of put on the table to share
3.guns , guns, guns and oh yeah I have more bigger guns than you!!!!! guess what though some people don't like firearms for many reasons and some people just can't own them for a bunch of random reasons as well so if a group or online community places to much emphasis on owning them and touching them and playing with them and showing them off then you start to exclude and alienate those that not interested or able to own them A good example of that is an individual I know quite well who has a very colourful medically trained history starting out as a veterinarian then becoming a combat medic then training as a surgeon both military and civilian then a GP the joke is if I get sick we go to the vet now my point is he has a very strong dislike for firearms and simply refuses to own any or have them in his house he wont oppose you having them just don't talk about them with him or bring them into his home or ask him to use one remember though this is a guy that was a frontline soldier and has patched up soldiers on the front oh and the enemy as well to him all wounded were wounded regardless of the uniform they wore Now this guy was basically harassed and ridiculed from an Australian forum because he didn't agree the attitude of pro gun bully members so that forum lost a treasure trove of information of animal care and medical advice and I am glad to say he is still though solid prepper and good friend of mine that constantly tells me he will turn my workshop into a field hospital if need be
4. Overall presentation and attitudes makes or breaks anything including prepping so if an interested individual asks a prepper about stuff and they go straight in for the big ticket items like the collapse of society and the violence that could follow such an event then yeah people either get frightened off or go buy a weapon mostly think preppers are weird and get frightened though
So basically what I am saying if you hear people say preppers are strange or weird just remember it was fellow preppers that help make that image so if a concerned neighbour ever asks you for some advice remember the following 1. Answer the direct question and only add any qualifying statements that are required to validate the information provided but that's it don't go off on a tangent 2. Do not mention religion , sexuality , race or any other stereotypical issues to prove or disprove a point unless it is directly relating to the question 3. Keep it simple,provide clear and precise information that is helpful, beneficial and on point 4. Use low key events as your baseline to establish a solid and engaging conversation the other person(s) can relate to on a personal level 5. Be the guy "THEY WANT TO BE" not the guy "THEY WANT YOU TO BE"don't be their stereotypical image of a prepper ever
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Post by grumble on Jan 9, 2017 7:15:31 GMT 10
makes you grateful that we live somewhere that is nice and stabile
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Post by grumble on Dec 19, 2016 7:34:17 GMT 10
Will people go nuts when the power goes out? not really
The question should be will certain elements of the community take advantage of the situation and commit crimes of opportunity ? we all know the answer is a clear yes on that
I have been through quite a few cyclones and power outages and a couple of fires and not once have I seen any of the so called panic that we keep getting told to expect in the aftermath. I have seen shock, sadness , loss and crimes of opportunity but no real panic where people turn on each other in fact I have seen far more mateship and helping each other then anything else here is a good video of that type of thing
The Use of hurricane Katrina is a poor reference point for an Australian based wide scale disaster simply because there are so many factors that were in play before the disaster that made Katrina the mess it was even the article about the Australians being trapped there indicates that there was racial tension and they were at risk for simply being white not because of wide spread panic all that the article indicates is that yes people will commit crimes of opportunity on a large scale given the chance an if you contain a large portion of people from different social economic and racial backgrounds in a building with no resources and no real security then predators and opportunists will take advantage of the situations to commit crimes of different motivations
The thing is this is not a clear example of the average person turning on their fellow man due to desperation because even as indicated in the article people ( locals ) helped protect the backpackers no what happened there was just predators finding easy pickings with no fear of repercussions
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Post by grumble on Nov 14, 2016 12:32:56 GMT 10
I think the question is How do you make those choices and live with them
my parents had plenty of brutal stories of making choices but it was more about what they could live with
Myself I have encountered a situation where I had to make choices that had long term ramifications that I have lived with and this is an irreversible path that we take once we make a cold but calculated decision on who to help and who we don't
my situation was a classic text book of situational triage to dangerous dead Dying saveable
I had the misfortune of being 1st on scene of a single vehicle crash involving a family of 5
Even though I was trained in level 3 1st aid and remote area 1st aid due to the fact part of my job at the time was mine rescue it still never fully prepares you for actually being the person that has to make that call on who you can save and who you can't I never knew how hard it would be to make the call and say to yourself you can't help that person or that person in the real world with real people begging you for help or to help their daughter
To me these sort of situation will probably bring about the demise of more people then anything else
Just knowing when to let people die and living with it will be something any survivors will have to deal with at some point
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grumble
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Post by grumble on Nov 8, 2016 22:22:11 GMT 10
All I could think when I read the web page about the product was
"Imagine how stressful it would be to be affected by a nuclear detonation"
Yeah I could imagine it would be very stressful to be affected by a nuclear detonation in fact it would probably be very stressful so much so that you might even lose your hair
"Now imagine how distressing it would be not to be able to communicate with your loved ones."
well to be honest unless everyone had their phones in a bag at the time and we had some kind of stand alone cell network we wont be making any phone calls cause the normal one just got smoked
now for storing a radio in then yeah great idea
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